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Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« on: Monday 30 October 23 19:12 GMT (UK) »
 
Can someone help locate birth/marriage/death confirmation for both 
Thomas David Thomas   Born abt 1847 in Llangattock, Camarthenshire, 
Elizabeth Day   Born abt 1856 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

Thomas David Thomas died between 1891 & 1906 based on documents I have

Any information that will allow me to progress my research would be much appreciated. I have limited knowledge on how best to locate the relevant documents. I have tried Ancestry, Find My Past and BMD search engines without much success so any assistance is very much needed. I have added the following details of my great grandmother Elizabeth Ann Thomas in the hope that this helps 

 
Thanks in advance Ron 

 

Taken from 1891 Census 

Belle Vue Beershop, 30 North Street, Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

Thomas David Thomas   Born abt 1847 in Llangattock, Camarthenshire, 

Elizabeth Day   Born abt 1856 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, 

Parents of:

Thomas Thomas  Born abt 1873 in Llangattock, Camarthenshire, 

Elizabeth Thomas Born 1886 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

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1891 Trade Directory Abergavenny, Monmouthshire,

Thomas David Thomas 30 North Street – Beer Retailer

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Taken from birth cert for Elizabeth Ann Thomas

Born 22/04/1886 

Address: Belle Vue Inn, North Street, Abergavenny, Monmouth

Father: Thomas David Thomas - Joinery man/Carpenter 

Mother: Elizabeth Thomas formerly Day 

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Taken from marriage cert for Elizabeth Ann Thomas

Married 13/061906 

Address for both Bride and Groom: 7 Station Road, Senghenydd, Pontypridd, Glamorgan

Father: Thomas David Thomas (Deceased) Carpenter
Thomas, Watts, Knudson, Eaton, Weepers, Bartram, Brammer, Francis

Northampton, Guisborough, Middlesbrough, Swansea

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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 October 23 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Just for info
Thomas Thomas snr was born https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llangadock

1881 Abergavenny
Piece   5234, Folio   14, Page number   21

Thomas Thomas 34   Head house painter, Llangadock Carmarthen
Elizabeth Thomas 23   Wife Monmouth Town
David Thomas   14   Son Llandeilo
Thomas Thomas 9   Son Llandeilo Carmarthen

I think there is a possibility that Thomas was married previously, although not finding a marriage to Elizabeth Day within timeframe.

What was the name of groom in 1906, any witnesses names?

Cas
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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 October 23 21:00 GMT (UK) »

1881 Abergavenny
Piece   5234, Folio   14, Page number   21

Thomas Thomas 34   Head house painter, Llangadock Carmarthen
Elizabeth Thomas 23   Wife Monmouth Town
David Thomas   14   Son Llandilo
Thomas Thomas 9   Son Llandilo Carmarthen

The occupation is house carpenter.

Debra  :)

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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 October 23 21:06 GMT (UK) »

1881 Abergavenny
Piece   5234, Folio   14, Page number   21

Thomas Thomas 34   Head house painter, Llangadock Carmarthen
Elizabeth Thomas 23   Wife Monmouth Town
David Thomas   14   Son Llandilo
Thomas Thomas 9   Son Llandilo Carmarthen

The occupation is house carpenter.

Debra  :)

Thanks Debra :) it is carpenter my error. The transcription is a mess. Census image ok

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland


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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #4 on: Monday 30 October 23 21:26 GMT (UK) »
Just for info
Thomas Thomas snr was born https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llangadock

1881 Abergavenny
Piece   5234, Folio   14, Page number   21

Thomas Thomas 34   Head house painter, Llangadock Carmarthen
Elizabeth Thomas 23   Wife Monmouth Town
David Thomas   14   Son Llandilo
Thomas Thomas 9   Son Llandilo Carmarthen

I think there is a possibility that Thomas was married previously, although not finding a marriage to Elizabeth Day within timeframe.

What was the name of groom in 1906, any witnesses names?

Cas

Hi Cas thanks for your assistance, regards marriage cert details Elizabeth Ann Thomas married William Merritt Watts with witnesses named as John Davies & Thomas Thomas 
Thomas, Watts, Knudson, Eaton, Weepers, Bartram, Brammer, Francis

Northampton, Guisborough, Middlesbrough, Swansea

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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 31 October 23 00:22 GMT (UK) »
Don't know if this will help, Thomas is a common name to research but there was another possible child. Children can sometimes help identify grandparent name etc.

THOMAS, ESTHER  ANN  mmn   DAY 
GRO Reference: 1883  D Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 11A  Page 51

Death - THOMAS, ESTHER  ANN     age 1 
GRO Reference: 1885  J Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 11A  Page 32

Burial Date   15 Apr 1885
Surname   THOMAS
Forename(s)   Esther Ann
Residence   Abergavenny
Age at death   18m
Officiating Minister   James Pugh, Rector
Event   Burial
Gwent record office
register ref. number   LDS/PA 88
Transcription   Llanfoist Burials 1875-1945
Parish or Chapel   Llanfoist
in Welsh   Llan-Ffwyst
Dedication   St Faith

About 3/4miles from Abergavenny

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Llanfoist

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 31 October 23 00:55 GMT (UK) »
Another possible

THOMAS, MARY  JANE     mmn DAY 
GRO Reference: 1878  S Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 11A  Page 56

Death - THOMAS, MARY  JANE     0 
GRO Reference: 1878  S Quarter in ABERGAVENNY  Volume 11A  Page 36

Burial 1878    Sep  18    THOMAS  Mary Jane age   2m    Burial    Llanfoist  as above

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 31 October 23 07:05 GMT (UK) »
Think this is a good 1871 for Thomas with first wife

Carmarthen, Llandeilo Fawr,
Address: George & Dragon Inn
Piece   5486, Folio   59, Page number   17

Thomas Thomas 26   Head, Carpenter & Inn Keeper, Llangadock, Carmarthenshire
Anne Thomas 24   Wife, Conwyl Cays Carmarthenshire (Conwyl Caio?)
John Thomas   1   Son, Llandeilo
Jane Thomas 21   Sister, dressmaker, Llangadock
Margaret Evans 18   Servant

Possible - first wife of Thomas
Deaths Sep Q 1874   
THOMAS    Anne    age 27    Llandilofawr    11a 477

Think they married Sept Q 1865 or Dec Q 1867 Llandilofawr both possible Anne Jones same page.   

David b circa 1868 looks likely with maternal Jones family, let me know if you need census.

Located Thomas back to 1851, likely parents David & Esther. Will leave it to you incase you want to look up yourself. If you get stuck let me know.

Cas
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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Look up Request Thomas Thomas & Elizabeth Day
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 31 October 23 09:58 GMT (UK) »
Outside chance?

Marriages Sep 1892
DAY    Elizabeth     Swansea 11a 1247
Thomas THOMAS on same page
2 others on page are on 1891 Census together

+ possible for Elizabeth?

Siblings Baptised 26 Oct 1862 St Cadoc, Llangattock-Vibon-Avel, Monmouthshire
ELIZABETH/ANNIE ELIZA and JAMES WILLIAM Day
Parents GEORGE/MARY
Father a Gamekeeper
EDWARD STEPHEN Day bapt 01 Oct 1865 same Parents, Father Gamekeeper to Mr ROLLS
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1861 in Llangattock Vibon Avel
George Day 33   Head Gamekeeper born Farmington, Gloucestershire
Mary A Day 37   Wife born Witcombe Gloucestershire
George Day 10   Son
Mary A Day 8 Daughter
Ellen Day 5 Daughter
ELIZABETH Day 3 Daughter born Monmouth, Monmouthshire****
Eliza A Day 10 mths   Daughter

1871 the Family are in Herefordshire. Elizabeth born c 1858 Monmouth Monmouthshire.

1881 George/Mary and 2 children are in Derbyshire.

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