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what happened to the Maguire children?
« on: Wednesday 01 November 23 11:06 GMT (UK) »
In late 1863,there was a much reported and controversial situation regarding the future religious pathway for three children,one of whom emerges some years later as my wifes great great grandmother.The children were offspring of a mixed religion family,with a Catholic father and Protestant mother,living largely in Dublin.The father,Micheal Maguire,was a poor iron moulder,who,by the Spring of 1863,was sadly dying of a heart condition.Although not a fervent Catholic,he sought a local priest,Fr.Keon,to deliver appropriate last rites.The priest enquired what plans Micheal had made for the future of his three very young children and encouraged the dying man to make a will ensuring that they were to be brought up as Catholics,which,over time,he duly did,witnessed by local people.This was ,allegedly,unbeknown to his wife,Jane,or her Protestant parents,in whose house they were resident.Jane,no doubt encouraged by others,appealed against the way in which the will had been achieved.In November/December 1863,the case attracted headlines and was front page news in a number of Irish newspapers,where verbatim versions of witness testimony are recorded.The case became notorious and divided opinion on religious lines as newspapers from different opinions testify.The decision was not concluded due to jury intransigence,where no conclusion could be reached,the jury dividing on sectarian lines and unable or unwilling to reach an objective decision.Subsequently,in early 1864,prominent Irish Catholics set up meetings and fund raising in respect of Fr.Keon,whose reputation was questioned because of circumstances surrounding Micheal Maguires will signing.
As is often the case,media interest declined and I can find no more reference to the outcome of the case.So...what happened to Sarah Maguire and her sisters?
Jane Maguire remarried a mariner,William Rodgers,in Liverpool in 1869.Jane gave birth to a daughter in London in 1871 and was living in Ramsgate,Kent on the 1871 Census.There are no records of any of the Maguire children living with her...Sarah remerges to marry George Edward Tolley in Chorlton on Medlock,Manchester in 1889.Significantly,resident in Chorlton at that time was Madeleine Lambert Rodgers(Janes daughter by William Rodgers).living with Margaret Gage,who was Janes sister who married a soldier,John Gage,in Ireland.
So,my query....what was the result of the Maguire case?What happened to the four year old Sarah and her family after this decision?Where might they have been in those intervening years?
I appreciate Irish records are limited in some aspects,but it is a mystery I have been looking to solve for some time.
Thank you,
Andy Grimley

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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 November 23 20:26 GMT (UK) »
When did Michael Maguire actually die? (and can you confirm the spelling of his first name- is it Michael or Micheal?) There are several dates on FS....1864/65 with birthdates ranging from 1826 to 1828

What were the names and birthdates of the children?
You have mentioned Sarah. 

Pl confirm the name of the wife as Jane, any idea of her maiden name? 


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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 November 23 22:56 GMT (UK) »
Sarah Maguire m George Edward Tolley in 1889, All Saints Manchester.
A witness was Emily A  Maguire.

Baptisms
St Paul’s Dublin
23rd November 1853 - Georgina Maguire
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5th March 1860 - Sarah
July 1862 Emily Ann
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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 November 23 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Lancashire BMD shows a marriage:
John B Sheldon and Emily A Maguire 1890 Christ Church, Moss Side.

There are no online records that I can see so may/not be your Emily.

It seems that there was still contact with Jane’s family after her marriage.
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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 November 23 23:40 GMT (UK) »
Presumably Georgina Maguire died.
There is another child, Eliza Jane b 1857, baptised Jan 1858 at St Paul’s.

A newspaper snippet, June 1863, mentions the three girls by name (no Georgina). There are several snippets, citing the case and this information:
Patrick Maguire and Patrick Gilligan v Jane Maguire
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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 02 November 23 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Thanks wilcoxon.

That implies that the children were sent to an institution, do you think?
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Re: what happened to the Maguire children?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 02 November 23 10:36 GMT (UK) »
I looked for the will, but found nothing,  it does say that 10 on the jury wanted the will to be annulled.  If so then the Rev Keon wouldn't get them .

Yes it does state that Mum entrusted her children to a charitable organisation and the priest tried to get possession.  🤔

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