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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #27 on: Friday 17 November 23 06:21 GMT (UK) »
Bridget's marriage:

15712/1923 MCWILLIAMS GORDON C A GRAY BRIDGET ST LEONARDS

I have the death and funeral notices for Bridget from the SMH 29 Feb 1968 p22, but they don't add anything to the questions relating to her birth.

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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #28 on: Friday 17 November 23 08:04 GMT (UK) »
This is Bridget's birth from NSW BDM:

GRAY BRIDGET 24962/1902 MAY PADDINGTON

Mother is May Gray, no father given.



Thanks Geoff,
Well this is the point of confusion for me.
The birth cited above is for the child in the DCR with the surname spelt in correctly as GREY.
There is no other birth in either spelling.
There were not 2 on the same day.

That's why the original Birth Certificate may have been interesting.
Who has the marriage certificate?   

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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #29 on: Friday 17 November 23 09:32 GMT (UK) »
I got the birth cert from NSW BDM (24962/1902) which says:

GRAY
Bridget
Female
30 July 1902
Benevolent Society's Maternity Hospital Paddington
(mother)
family name GRAY
family name at birth GRAY
Age 23
Birthplace Stoney Creek, NSW
No previous children
Informant: May Gray, Maternity Hospital, Mother.
Registered 15 August 1902

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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #30 on: Friday 17 November 23 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I do have the birth certificate. I will get it out. I don’t think I have the marriage I think I gave it back to the family. I will check on that one.
I know on Bridgets birth certificate there is no father. And mum was single 24 mother was born stoney creek Nsw.


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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #31 on: Friday 17 November 23 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Bridget's mother's age was 23 (see above). The certificate said she'd had no previous children, so either Leo's mother was a different May Gray or she was telling fibs (possible).

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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #32 on: Friday 17 November 23 12:07 GMT (UK) »
Ok Geoff
I made a mistake. She was 23. This is why I said I wasn’t sure if the other children were hers. I main concern is Bridget. But if you are giving birth at different benevolent hospitals. Would you tell the truth. I don’t remember saying that her certificate said no previous children. But no there was no other children put on the certificate. But people think Bridget had a middle name but no she didn’t.
When I use information I always back it up with the rego number.

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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #33 on: Saturday 18 November 23 00:52 GMT (UK) »
I have ordered Bridget's marriage certificate. But it did strike me that she married at St Leonard's, which is the next suburb to North Sydney. The child on the Dependent Children Register was fostered out to a woman at North Sydney. 

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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 18 November 23 04:07 GMT (UK) »
I want to draw your attention to this evidence which makes it clear that   the DCR child  IS the correct Bridget GRAY. That is, the one you are seeking information on.

Elizabeth BARRETT you will recall was the woman fostering Bridget GREY of the DCR.

This item looks at the court case regarding Gordon Charles A. McWILIAMS (Bridget's husband) in the carnal knowledge of a girl named Daphne Mary REIDY aged 13 years and 11 months.
She lives with Mrs Elizabeth BARRETT of Crows Nest.  So was another foster child of hers.
 
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/169313831?searchTerm=%22%20barrett%20massey%20street%22~12


In the item Bridget is referred to as Mrs BARRETT’s daughter.
Daphne is described as  “a relation of the accused man’s wife”

Another item about the same matter.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/223500505?searchTerm=%22gordon%20mcwilliams%22

There is a boy named in the first article. His name is Barry ROSS.

You will need to read it carefully with an open mind, but it leaves no doubt.

It means also that you now have the name of Bridget's father.
Re-read
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01srg/

Sue

ADDING this is the death of the child around whose deathbed the family waited at the hospital
MCWILLIAMS CARLYLE R W Reg 14005/1929 Parents GORDON C A and BRIDGET at NORTH SYDNEY
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Re: Was MAY GRAY actually EMILY MAY (MAY EMILY) DOWSE?
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 18 November 23 04:21 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sue, I think that is pretty conclusive. I had recently found the Sun report but had not seen the SMH one, which has a lot more detail. I was wondering about the reference to the complainant being a relative of Bridget's, but if they were both foster children of Elizabeth Barrett, that explains it.

Geoff