william mcelhinney

[Summer18]

Again I am seeking assistance from one of my kind roots friends.

I am seeking two records that I have extensively searched for and cand find.

Hope I can explain clearly for your understanding.

William McElhinney(M) Ellen mc Gonigle 1899 Inishowen registration district Ireland with father of William being Daniel.

I am seeking the birth of this same William around 1860/69 with his father being Daniel and (M) Mary McLaughlin. I learned this from the marriage record of William to Catherine Docherty 2nd marriage for both as Williams's 1st wife died in 1923 (Inishowen reg District).

Also, I am seeking the marriage record for Williams's parents Daniel Mc Elhinney and Mary McLaughlin estimated marriage in 1858/68.

Regards and your interest much appreiated.

[shanreagh]

Just to set the scene here is the marriage certificate for William McElhenny and Ellen McGonigle from 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10389/5782516.pdf

Census 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Redcastle/Meenaleavin/1186281/

Census 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Redcastle/Meenaleavin/496434/

PS I am wondering where 7 month old Daniel is (from the 1901 census 31/3/1901) This then makes me wonder if the 1911 census is correct as it says the mother has 6 children and 6 living children.

On 1911 census there is a 2year old Daniel here
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Raphoe/Magheraboy/506414/

[eileenwilson]

If he was born prior to 1864, you won't find a civil birth record and will be looking for a baptism in the Catholic records.  There is a birth for a brother also named Daniel in 1864:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03596/2325844.pdf

The parents' marriage will also not be available as only non Catholic records were kept from 1845, so a church marriage record is what you will be looking for.

However, there is a marriage in 1867 for a Daniel McElhenny and a Mary Keating (nee Loughlin) in Dublin, with Daniel being a gunner in the Royal Artillery which may explain the different location:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11512/8233845.pdf

[eileenwilson]

Birth of a John in 1868:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03420/2254525.pdf

And a Catherine in 1874:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03161/2159539.pdf

[shanreagh]

If he was born prior to 1864, you won't find a civil birth record and will be looking for a baptism in the Catholic records.  There is a birth for a brother also named Daniel in 1864:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03596/2325844.pdf

The parents' marriage will also not be available as only non Catholic records were kept from 1845, so a church marriage record is what you will be looking for.

However, there is a marriage in 1867 for a Daniel McElhenny and a Mary Keating (nee Loughlin) in Dublin, with Daniel being a gunner in the Royal Artillery which may explain the different location:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11512/8233845.pdf

Great find (the marriage) Eileen. 

[eileenwilson]

Not convinced it's the right couple as it would mean they were having children before they were married, and she was a widow when she married him.  May just be a coincidence with the names. They seemed to be good in registering their children's births, except the elusive William.

[Neale1961]

However, there is a marriage in 1867 for a Daniel McElhenny and a Mary Keating (nee Loughlin) in Dublin, with Daniel being a gunner in the Royal Artillery which may explain the different location:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11512/8233845.pdf

Parish records of marriage
18 Oct 1867  Dublin, Blanchardstown
Daniel McElhenny and a Mary Keating (nee Loughlin)
His parents – Denis McElhenny and Mary ??
Her parents – Thomas Loughlin and Anne Healy

Contains lots of tiny writing which is very difficult to read about Mary Keating – former husband John Keating ??killed?? 17 March ’62 ---??
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633359#page/24/mode/1up

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Following on from information on the marriage record

Daniel McElhenney no 2751 Gunner Royal Artillery Coast Bde. G53253
Born abt 1828 Lisburn, Antrim
Chelsea Pension  date - 12 Apr 1870

[shanreagh]

If the  census records are correct then a date for the birth of William would be 1901 - 22 = 1879 rather than 1860/69.

But I am wondering if there are at least two (possibly three)  families of Dan(iel) and Mary McElhenney. 

Looking at the marriage in Dublin Mary's name is Keating, as a widow and her father is given as Thomas Loughlin.     

They have children - Daniel & Mary McLaughlin McElhenney also have children.   

Family with Loughlin or McLaughlin or Keating or Keaton

Mary 1/9/1868 Palmerston Dublin Co ?   
John bapt  Moville 11/10/1868 ?
Owen 27/10/1870
James 21/1/1872
James 15/4/1874
These may not be theirs?
Daniel 18/9/1864
Grace 6/1/1861

And late addition, after looking at the post from neale1961 - A James born 15/4/1874 in Dunmurry Co Antrim.


if this is the family where the parents married in 1867 there are pre marriage and after marriage children.  Perhaps not as she was said to be married to John Keating who died in 1862.   


Dan from Donegal family 

'His' Mary is possibly O' or Mc Donnell     

John 27/1/1871
Michael  16/8/1872
Patrick  16/3/1880     [/s][/s]

Fair to say I'm a bit confused.  The McDonnell family is not them.     

I wondered if the Army had prevailed upon the parents to make it legal, perhaps for pension receipt purposes?  and that was the reason for the marriage in 1867 as both parents are a bit older 39 & 30                                                                     

[eileenwilson]

The father Daniel is also living in Meenalevin in 1901:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Redcastle/Meenaleavin/1186280/

The mother Mary died in 1898 aged 70:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05821/4648127.pdf