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Thomas Jones from England
« on: Monday 06 November 23 21:26 GMT (UK) »
I recently came across a picture of my x3 great grandparents, with a short annotation at the bottom of a photocopy, it read "and a granddaughter who Ted (who's in the photo) was about to take to see her father in New Zealand. He (Tom) and his wife had split up and he emigrated and sent for his two daughters". The photograph was supposedly taken in 1921, so I can only assume that Tom was in New Zealand at that point.

I was hoping that if given some information any users could take a look for any information regarding these individuals? (I don't have access to NZ records)

The person in question is "Thomas Jones" born in Grendon, Warwickshire, England in 1885/86 (his baptism was 17 Jan 1886). He married "Flossie Ethel Shufflebotham" on 14th April 1908 in Grendon. In 1908 his daughter Ethel Ruth Jones was born, in 1909 his daughter Katie (Catherine?) Adeline Jones was born. In 1911 he is still living in Warwickshire, England with his wife and two children. That's the last I know anything about Tom, Ethel and Katie. Flossie is living with her brother in 1921, further supporting the annotation that they had split up. So any emigration must have happened between 1911 and 1921.

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Re: Thomas Jones from England
« Reply #1 on: Monday 06 November 23 22:19 GMT (UK) »
Do you know how old Ted would have been - and was he Edward Jones?

There's a passenger listing for Miss E Jones, aged 12, Miss K Jones aged 11 and Mr E Jones aged 24 departing Southampton 30 Sep 1920 on the Remuera for Wellington

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Re: Thomas Jones from England
« Reply #2 on: Monday 06 November 23 23:13 GMT (UK) »
Do you know how old Ted would have been - and was he Edward Jones?

There's a passenger listing for Miss E Jones, aged 12, Miss K Jones aged 11 and Mr E Jones aged 24 departing Southampton 30 Sep 1920 on the Remuera for Wellington

I do! Sorry I should have explained. "Ted" was Edmund Jones (same as his father). He was born 8th Oct 1896. So that passenger list looks very promising.

My guess is Thomas probably went a similar route, though the name is so generic I'm not sure it's helpful.

Are censuses available for NZ?

It's amazing really that I've only just found this picture and it has opened up a whole new mystery!


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Re: Thomas Jones from England
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 07 November 23 00:29 GMT (UK) »
NZ birth, deaths and marriages are free to search (within date restrictions due to privacy laws):
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz

Just a possibility - there is an Ethel Ruth JONES married Francis Charles HOLMES in NZ in 1931. (1931/933)

Ethel Ruth HOLMES died in 1991  (1991/50557) - her date of birth was 4 June 1908.


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Thomas Jones from England
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 November 23 08:23 GMT (UK) »
Also - divorce of Thomas and Flossie Ethel JONES in 1921:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM19210211.2.22 (and various other mentions in other papers)

A little more detail:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19210218.2.80

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Re: Thomas Jones from England
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 November 23 08:27 GMT (UK) »
Possible mention of "Katie and Ethel" JONES at a children's concert in the Presbyterian School room Johnsonville in April 1921
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19210428.2.97

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Re: Thomas Jones from England
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 November 23 08:28 GMT (UK) »
These deaths as near to his birth year as I can find at this point, if he died in NZ:

1961/36509   Jones   Thomas   74Y


1967/24537   Jones   Thomas   80Y


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.