Author Topic: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio  (Read 1223 times)

Offline Erato

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,755
  • Old Powder House, 1703
    • View Profile
Re: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 12 November 23 04:33 GMT (UK) »
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that James absconded or that he and/or Mary Ann bigamously remarried in Illinois.  No death record has been found for James but, then again, we haven't found a death record for his daughter Sarah or his brother Tom, either.  Death records in Huron County start in 1867 and in Erie County they start in 1856, but the earliest records aren't online.  It's possible James and Sarah both died before records were kept.  With any luck, additional vital records, cemetery records or digitized newspapers will become available which could answer the question.

In the meantime, here's a physical description of Tom:

Thomas Earl, military discharge
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sru/
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

Offline J.J.

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,942
  • Census Crown © www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 12 November 23 15:08 GMT (UK) »
  Oh, absolutely...Didn't mean to offend...was adding some found info that might eventually fit in. We've have seen many searches where someone just went elsewhere to start over, especially after a war, for whatever reason.
I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that James absconded or that he and/or Mary Ann bigamously remarried in Illinois.  No death record has been found for James but, then again, we haven't found a death record for his daughter Sarah or his brother Tom, either...
  Adding ...because...stuff happens:
  Here is her brother in Aus. & children with his de facto (Common-Law) Partner
  https://www.raymillar.co.uk/getperson.php?personID=I57329&tree=Eday1
  I won't divulge the contents- Wiki entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Marwick
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner" J.J.

Canadian  census  transcribed  data  ©2005 www.AutomatedGenealogy.com

Offline Stuart_McDonald

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 239
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio
« Reply #38 on: Monday 13 November 23 01:43 GMT (UK) »
I don't get offended that easily, I've been tracking since I was 16 and there was NO online.  But, sometimes I don't see the tree for the woods.  James Earl lived so he must have died....eventually.  Did he go back to Cambridgeshire, as did his brother-in-law William Marwick from further flung Australia.  He. himself was a unique story.
I do appreciate every insight and every second used on my behalf, I pay it back in kind when I can.
But I've been distracted, FindMyPast has free access this weekend, and in Australia it's counting down...

Offline J.J.

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,942
  • Census Crown © www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 15 November 23 02:59 GMT (UK) »
Looking at that entry for the dismissal of Thomas I found a whirly-bird of entries
that somehow fit but they don't? Are there two of each Thos. & James or mixed up entries?

1850 Thomas Earl   30  c.1820 England  Parma Township, Cuyahoga, Ohio
   Household Identifier  1768    House Number 1636  Line  19
    Mary 1820 Eng.     Isabel J Earl  1843 Eng.       Sarah L Earl  1850 Eng.
1860 Tom Earl   c. 1815  England  with James & MaryAnne  in Oxford, Erie, Ohio
   His discharge says he was 35 in 1865 & born Cambridgeshire ( so c.1830)
Next he appears in Oxford, Erie, Ohio in 1866-Oath of Identity
  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-J382-CQCQ

???Robert Earl 1860 Greenfield Township, Huron, Ohio, United States
   Birth 1830 England, United Kingdom    
???another? James Earl 1860   Ridgefield Township, Huron, Ohio, United States
Birth 1820 England, United Kingdom (Grocer?)   Alice Arnold F    27  b. New York

1870 a Thomas with family  Monroeville, Peru, Huron, Ohio, U.S.
  Oddly it also says New York on results
 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M62P-QK6
 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6GYQ-NYQ
   Thomas Earl c. 1827 England    Jane c. 1826 England
   married before ? as  children are John Young 8   Jane Young 3
    an Elizabeth b. 22 March 1873, parents Thomas Earl & Jane Press
   marries Huron, Ohio, United States
Then, a Marriage of Jane Earl at res. of Mrs. earl June 30 1873 to Mathias Hiers or Hiess
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9396-FNVG-B
However:
1880 census Peru Township, Huron, Ohio, United States
   Jane Young 47  c. 1833  England   Widowed
   Jane Young 13  c.1867  Ohio   Daughter   At School
   Elizabeth Young 8 c.1872  Ohio Daughter attended sch within yr.
    all say Parent's Birthplace England
   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M89C-YKN

Elizabeth Earl Haas, (wife of Wm)  - death Norwalk, Huron, Ohio
b. 22 March 1873 says mother - Jane Prell or Press/ father Thomas Earl
  John Young Age 10 born Peru / death  Peru, Huron, Ohio  May 9 1872
Then I found - Elizabeth Earl   Birth  22 Mar 1871 Peru, Huron, Ohio, U.S.
?  Father: James Earl ?    Mother: Jane Pierce 
    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X6JG-MX2

Wonder if this is a bad rewrite of (?James) the father, 3 mo later
but on the same page just above the son???
 Lamier Earl  Age 50 Residence  Peru, Huron, Ohio Married
 Occ Farmer Death 30 Aug 1872  Peru, Huron, Ohio, U.S.
 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99ZR-J98H-6?i=79

adding+++
Just found the marriage of Thomas Earl & Jane Young 1 Feb 1870 Huron, Ohio, U S
 Just as he said on the census
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner" J.J.

Canadian  census  transcribed  data  ©2005 www.AutomatedGenealogy.com


Offline Stuart_McDonald

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 239
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 15 November 23 04:53 GMT (UK) »
Looking at that entry for the dismissal of Thomas I found a whirly-bird of entries
that somehow fit but they don't? Are there two of each Thos. & James or mixed up entries?


Thank you for all the data, it is too confusing for me to extricate anything for certainty.  My interest is centred around Mary Ann Marwick (1823-1898) who married James Earl in 1845 and migrated to the US and what became of James Earl and their child Sarah Elizabeth (born 1852, possibly deceased by 1860).  All I know of James Earl was that he was born at Elm, Cambridgeshire in 1816 and was son of James Earl and Elizabeth, nee Griffiths.  He had known siblings; Thomas (1818), Mary Ann (1821), maybe Frederick (1823) & Hepzibah (1825).
I do appreciate what you have searched and located though.

Offline J.J.

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 9,942
  • Census Crown © www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio
« Reply #41 on: Wednesday 15 November 23 22:12 GMT (UK) »
  Just going to post a map of the locations of those Earls I found, which are in a close nutshell only 15-20mins of each other within the very large State of Ohio. When you think of the large expanse the other family members covered until they finally settled down in an area...
  Confusing, yes, but also intriguing that the forenames James & Thomas are interchangeable as the husband's name! Still I am glad to have shared for those seeking that family as it may resolve several questions for them.   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ss3/
"We search for information, but the burden of proof is always with the thread owner" J.J.

Canadian  census  transcribed  data  ©2005 www.AutomatedGenealogy.com

Offline Stuart_McDonald

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 239
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Earl circa 1860s Ohio
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 15 November 23 23:03 GMT (UK) »
  Just going to post a map of the locations
Thank you JJ, I did enjoy the map which does add context, for me in Australia, the place names were just that.  I had no idea of the proximity to one of the Great Lakes.
Thank you again.