Edward Hill and Eleanor (?) of Bromley St Leonards and East Ham. Brick wall help

[SamuelF992]

Hi all,

I need help with a brick wall that's been bugging me for ages. Edward Hill married Eleanor Penry (widower) at St Mary, Bromley St Leonards in 1801. Both are listed OTP. I can't find a record for Eleanor's first marriage. When I look at Bromley St Leonards baptisms for Eleanors there's an Eleanor Cullimore in 1767, and Eleanor Briggs in 1780, which both could be possibilities. I couldn't find any Penrys born to an Eleanor between 1791-1801 so I don't think she had any children in her first marriage.

Edward is listed in the 1841 census as living with his son Thomas Hill on Balaam Street, Plaistow working as an ag lab. His age in this census is given as 64 and him as being born out of county.

Any help finding anything more on either of these would be really appreciated as I've been banging my head against it for ages. Eleanor and Edward's children were: Lydia, Charles, James, Mary, Maria, Thomas.

Best wishes
Samuel

[rosie99]

earlier post on Eleanor's maiden name
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=787865.

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Eleanor Hill was also buried at Plaistow .
Ellen Hill  2.4.1837 born 1765.

So more likely the Cullimore one.Although tracking the family down it does look like she married a at St Martin Outwich 30 Dec 1791 to a John Roberts.
Her father William a Dyer had a PCC Will 1769 giving each of the children £50 -Anna,Sarah,Mary Eleanor and James. James joined the Navy and died leaving £20 to his sister Eleanor Roberts 1792.
Mother Mary married a Thomas Hacker widower 13.11.1778 and died at Bromley 22.8.1799.
Mr Roberts cold have died and then Eleanor gone onto to marry Mr Penry.
The only child I can find for the Roberts couple is Jane born 1791 and bapt 1.1.1792

It's not Roger as I found his Will and no mention of a wife.

Ciderdrinker

[SamuelF992]

Hi Ciderdrinker,

Wow great work. I had seen that Ellen Hill burial and was unsure about it given the shortened name, but it does seem the most likely to be her you're right.

Yes there could be a husband before both Penry and Edward. Bad run of luck for her. I guess it's also possible of course that Eleanor wasn't actually born in Bromley and was just living there when she married Edward? I guess without more information we can't know though.

I'll research the Cullimore line for now. Thanks very much
Samuel

[ColC]

Two burials on freereg might be worth a look, sadly no ages or other detail.
One other in the north of England.

Luke PENRY   Burial   24 May 1797   Surrey   Newington :
St Mary : Parish Register

David PENRY   Burial   14 Jul 1799   Essex   Walthamstow :
St Mary the Virgin : Parish Register

Colin

[SamuelF992]

Good finds! The one in Walthamstow is particularly near. Thank you