Elusive Marriage or baptisms c. 1830-1850. Ireland. Poss. Monaghan. Poss Lancs!

[nicdigby]

Hello, can anyone locate a baptism or marriage for the following couple please, probably in Ireland (and if not, then likely Lancashire/Yorkshire borders):

Bradshaw ALLISTER.  (b. approx.1830 Ireland OR Kirkham, Lancs. d. 1904, Todmorden, Lancs.)(Birthplace is 'Ireland' on the 1871 England census but 'Kirkham, Lancs' on the 1881-1901 England censuses)

He married:

Mary MADILL. (b. about 1830. d. 1913) Born Newbliss, Monaghan. Source: later English censuses.
NB: I only know her MMN because it is on some of their children's on GRO birth records (eg James 1853 and Sarah Ann 1859 in Fylde and Margaret 1876 in Todmorden).

Date of marriage: unknown but they started having children in 1853.

I'd love a baptism for either of them and their marriage please if anyone can find it. I've had a good search but they're elusive.

I have not been able to find anything in UK or Ireland before 1871 for them. I have used fuzzy searching and also McAllister and MacAllister.

I have not found any early census for either of them (1841, 1851 or 1861 or Irish census substitute).

A website* states they were at Smithson's Court, Kirkham, in 1861 when he was an ag. lab but I have not been able to view the record for this (and this is on my wishlist to locate too!)
*http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/a.html
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Things I already know (and don't therefore need):

They moved from Fylde (Kirkham village) to Todmorden in the 1870s.

1) I don't need anything 1871 onwards as I have the 1871-1901 census records for them and multiple ER for around 1890-1920 in Todmorden.
2) 1888 marriage - to Betsy BROWNBRIDGE - as it is NOT the right one.
3) anything on Bradshaw Allister's son - of the same name...army hero of Lancs Fusiliers. It's the son's marriage of 1888 and he lived 1866-1940.

Thank you very much for any leads!

[CaroleW]

GRO online birth for son Bradshaw b 1866 Fylde shows mmn McDill

[CaroleW]

1861 ref 3145/31/3

Ancestry have him as Bradshaw Abdas🙄🙄

Aged 33 b Ireland

I think sons James & John should show birthplace as Wrea Green (transcribed as Whagreen)

[nicdigby]

Thank you Carol. We're getting somewhere!

[Ladyhawk]

The same census ref Carol has given you for Bradshaw there is a Made(I)ll family

could they be related to Mary?

Piece   3145
Folio   31
Page number   3
Hannah Madell   58   Head
William Madell 22 Son
Margaret Madell 15 Daughter
All born Ireland

[nicdigby]

The same census ref Carol has given you for Bradshaw there is a Made(I)ll family

could they be related to Mary?

Piece   3145
Folio   31
Page number   3
Hannah Madell   58   Head
William Madell 22 Son
Margaret Madell 15 Daughter
All born Ireland

Thank you very much, it’s certainly worth looking at. I might need some help to take this line of enquiry further if you or anyone else would be able to assist please: I have not found any other records with these possible parents names for Mary.

[wivenhoe]

Ancestry Census England 1871  at  19 Church St Kirkham  Lancashire
ALLISTER Bradshaw        40y   labourer           b. Ireland
ALLISTER Mary               38y                          b. Ireland
ALLISTER James             18y  cotton weaver    b. Meagreen LANCS
ALLISTER John                15y  cotton weaver   b. Meagreen LANCS
ALLISTER Sarah Ann       11y                          b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER Jane                 9y                          b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER Bradshaw          4y                         b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER William  T         2y                          b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER Robert              2*                          b. Kirkham LANCS

Lancashire OPC     https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
*baptism 9 Apr 1858 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALLISTER William   ps Bradshaw ALLISTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer

*baptism 2 Jun 1859 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALLISTER Sarah Ann   ps Bradshaw ALLISTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer

*baptism 11 Sep 1865 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALISTER Sarah Ann   ps Bradshaw ALISTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer


*baptism 11 Sep 1869 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALLISTER William Thomas   ps Bradshaw ALLISTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer

*marriage 15 Sep 1867 St Peter Preston
PERRY Joseph   21y  tailor  bachelor  22 Alfred St  (X)
father:  Thomas PERRY, tailor
MAYDILL Margaret   22y  weaver  spinster  50  Aqueduct St
father: Thomas MAYDILL, labourer
witnesses J Bradshaw   ALLISTER, Susannah MAYDILL

[nicdigby]

Ancestry Census England 1871  at  19 Church St Kirkham  Lancashire
ALLISTER Bradshaw        40y   labourer           b. Ireland
ALLISTER Mary               38y                          b. Ireland
ALLISTER James             18y  cotton weaver    b. Meagreen LANCS
ALLISTER John                15y  cotton weaver   b. Meagreen LANCS
ALLISTER Sarah Ann       11y                          b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER Jane                 9y                          b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER Bradshaw          4y                         b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER William  T         2y                          b. Kirkham LANCS
ALLISTER Robert              2*                          b. Kirkham LANCS

Lancashire OPC     https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
*baptism 9 Apr 1858 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALLISTER William   ps Bradshaw ALLSTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer

*baptism 2 Jun 1859 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALLISTER Sarah Ann   ps Bradshaw ALLSTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer

*baptism 11 Sep 1865 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALISTER Sarah Ann   ps Bradshaw ALSTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer


*baptism 11 Sep 1869 St Michael Kirkham, Lancashire
ALLISTER William Thomas   ps Bradshaw ALLISTER / Mary
abode: Kirkham   occupation: labourer

*marriage 15 Sep 1867 St Peter Preston
PERRY Joseph   21y  tailor  bachelor  22 Alfred St  (X)
father:  Thomas PERRY, tailor
MAYDILL Margaret   22y  weaver  spinster  50  Aqueduct St
father: Thomas MAYDILL, labourer
witnesses J Bradshaw   ALLISTER, Susannah MAYDILL

Thank you very much for your effort s.  Can you find anything for the generation before this though as Bradshaw’s children are already known to me? I’m really in need of his baptism records plus Mary’s baptism plus their marriage and anything else prior to their marriage.

[eileenwilson]

Hannah Madill died at age 71 and was buried February 22, 1879 in Todmorden, Christ Church. Finding the marriages for her son William and daughter Margaret should provide you with their father's names.