Elusive Marriage or baptisms c. 1830-1850. Ireland. Poss. Monaghan. Poss Lancs!

[heywood]

Marriage
The Parish church, Kirkham
June 22nd 1863
William McDill  23 yrs Weaver, Kirkham father Thomas  McDill, labourer
Susannah Bertram, 24 yrs, Kirkham, father Jacob Bertram, Tinker Merchant

Witnesses Bradshaw Allister and Margaret McDill

Not too sure re Jacob Bertram’s father’s occupation.

[wivenhoe]

Ancestry Census England 1871   at 12 Church St Kirkham Lancashire
MEDILL William      30y  cotton weaver       b. Ireland
MEDILL Susanna    27y                              b. Ireland
MEDILL Hannah      66y  mother w(idow)    b. Ireland
MEDILL Thomas        7y                            b. Kirkham LANCS
MEDILL William         4y                            b. Kirkham LANCS
MEDILL Ann              1y                            b. Kirkham LANCS

[gaffy]

... Witnesses Bradshaw Allister and Margaret McDill

Excellent stuff.

RootsIreland doesn't show any baptisms of a William or Margaret for parents Thomas and Hannah Madill around the time indicated by the 1861 census.  There was a son John baptised in 1841 in the Church of Ireland (Drum, Currin) for a Thomas Madill and Hanna McCartney of Drumacreeve, Aghabog, but that's all I can see, so may not be them.

https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/dartree/ematris/aghabog/drumacreeve/

[wivenhoe]

in Census...2 households down from ALLISTERs

Ancestry Census England 1861 at Smithsons Court Preston St Kirkham
MADELL Hannah   58y  widow  housekeeper   b. Ireland
MADELL William    22y  cotton weaver           b. Ireland
MADELL Margaret  15y  cotton weaver           b. Ireland

[gaffy]

Is that the census entry mentioned by Ladyhawk at reply #4?

[gaffy]

https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/dartree/ematris/aghabog/drumacreeve/

By my reckoning, Newbliss is about 7 miles NW of Drumacreeve, so just a maybe for now.

[gaffy]

More maybes.

The tithe applotment books list two people called Thomas Madill, both happen to be in Co. Monaghan, one in Aghafin in Clones CP (year reference 1832), the other in Lisdarragh in Killeevan CP (year reference 1825), which is as close to Newbliss as one could get.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp

https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/dartree/killeevan/newbliss/lisdarragh/

[nicdigby]

Thank you very much everyone, some great stuff here which is building the picture….there looks to be a connection between those neighbouring families (esp as Bradshaw was a witness to the son’s marriage)….

.. But can anyone locate the elusive baptisms for the couple and their marriage? Is there anywhere else we can look for them please?