Possibly homeless?

[dunkmac74]

Mornin all
Whilst goin thru my tree i find me 3 x Grt Nams family of Mason from Cotswolds listed as Tramps living in Barns as well as her 2 Brothers at diffrent work houses for a while im not sure what stayin at workhouse was bit im geussin it was grim?
Some of me family say tgey were English travellers other they was just poor anyone else had family livin in barns and workhouses?
Were they just poor who ended up on rd like many English who then be one travellers or maybe theyd started off on rd?
Many thanks
Dincan

[jc26red]

Can you supply your 2x grandmothers name and date of birth etc.,

Usually, the lovely people here do a little background check to make sure they are looking at the right documents before they can give you a definitive answer.

Yes, I have various ancestors who lived in a barn, a field and workhouses and they were not travellers, just fallen on hard times.

[dunkmac74]

Many thanks for reply !👌
Ill just get what info i have 👍

[dunkmac74]

Hi again!
I have me 3x  Grt Grandparents marriage as
James Clark ( no E)
Marrying Elizabeth Mason Oxfordshire 1865 if this helps ?
Kind regards
Duncan

[jim1]

Travellers (Gypsies) didn't live like this, as well as having their traditional
caravans they also had a variety of tents for extended family members.
They had no need to shelter in a barn & it's also highly unlikely you will
find any in the Workhouse.

[dunkmac74]

I beg to differ Mate not all Travellers lived in caravans and many lived in barns in winter months provided by friendly Farmers or stayed in barms on the farm during pea picking season hop season etc many especially went from the rd to houses in cotswolds bit of sweeping statement to say none never stayed in barns! Bit like saying all Gypsies are Romanys many were poor people who ended up on road with no history of nomadic life many well known English Gypsy families in fact have Irish surnames Beany Eastwood Barney Brazil Cunningham very difficult to tie them all as same

[dunkmac74]

Also ive see many records of Gypsies in workhouses on records !! What you think they all lived idilic lives singing around camp fires telkin fortunes?!!
Hreat example Granny Bpswell Queen of the gypsies from Cornwall ended up in a workhouse

[River Tyne Lass]

I tend to agree with you dunkmac74.  Some of my ancestors were Irish travellers.  They stayed in houses here and there.  There is a newspaper article re my Great x 2 ancestors and a murder trial and they were staying in a cottage at the time but the article also reports them seemingly off gallavanting and staying in someone's barn. 
Many years later my I discovered my Grt x 2 Traveller Grandmother in Tynemouth workhouse albeit for only a week so possibly she was ill.  My Great x 2 Grandfather's brother's children went into a workhouse for a time after their Father died.

[heywood]

On their marriage in Kingham, 1865, James Clark is a Groom, which is the same occupation as William Clark, his father.
Elizabeth Mason’s father, Thomas, is a Labourer.

Is this your family, 1871 1457 /76/1
Living in Chipping Norton with child Frances.
That James is a Groom (Domestic Service).