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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #9 on: Monday 20 November 23 14:48 GMT (UK) »
There is a Harriet A Farmer born 1872 in Lancaster in 1939

Possible death in 1960 age 85 - Lancaster registration district

Sorry I didn't say Harriett Amelia was born Fletching / Danehill

The 1939 information does not give a place of birth
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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #10 on: Monday 20 November 23 14:52 GMT (UK) »
There is a Harriet A Farmer born 1872 in Lancaster in 1939

Possible death in 1960 age 85 - Lancaster registration district

Sorry I didn't say Harriett Amelia was born Fletching / Danehill

The 1939 information does not give a place of birth
There's a Harriet A  Farmer (single) in 1901 age 28, living Toxteth Park, but born Liverpool. Maybe she's the one who died in 1960.
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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #11 on: Monday 20 November 23 15:28 GMT (UK) »
There's a Frederick Carlisle (b Orston, Notts) as a lodger in Fletchling in 1891. Harriet Amelia is still in Fletchling in 1891 as a servant. In 1901 Frederick with his wife  Harriet (b Sussex, no parish recorded) are in Deptford with 4 children. Only checked one child so far (Lilian Ida b 1900) but mother's maiden name Farmer. So it is a strong possibility that Harriet Amelia has married Frederick or is living with him as his wife. There is a later child registered Frederick Robert Carlisle (Q1 1902) with mmn Farmer.

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Death also reg Q1 1902, Harriet Carlisle age 30 in Greenwich district
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 November 23 15:51 GMT (UK) »
George Friend and Elizabeth had a daughter Sarah Ann Friend in 1874, she would have been Fanny's half sister. Have you researched her?

Looks like Sarah Anne died aged 6 just before 1881 census, so she can't be Mrs Jefferies.

George Friend was a widower when he married Elizabeth. Were their any daughters from first marriage or his later marriage to Alice? The term sister might be used loosely and Mrs Jefferies was actually a step sister
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Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
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Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #13 on: Monday 20 November 23 16:22 GMT (UK) »
Two possible Farmer / Jefferies marriages

1928 Edith L m Frederick J Jefferies   .... probably too late

1890 Ellen m Paul Jefferies

Need to see if I can find them in the census;
no really good corresponding BDN births for Tom Jefferies mmn Farmer though.   
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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #14 on: Monday 20 November 23 19:58 GMT (UK) »
possible marriage a little away from expected places

Fred Carlisle dec qtr 1892 Peterbro vol 3b pg 607 with Harriet Farmer on the same page

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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #15 on: Monday 20 November 23 20:11 GMT (UK) »
There's a Frederick Carlisle (b Orston, Notts) as a lodger in Fletchling in 1891. Harriet Amelia is still in Fletchling in 1891 as a servant. In 1901 Frederick with his wife  Harriet (b Sussex, no parish recorded) are in Deptford with 4 children. Only checked one child so far (Lilian Ida b 1900) but mother's maiden name Farmer. So it is a strong possibility that Harriet Amelia has married Frederick or is living with him as his wife. There is a later child registered Frederick Robert Carlisle (Q1 1902) with mmn Farmer.

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Death also reg Q1 1902, Harriet Carlisle age 30 in Greenwich district

That's fantastic thank you
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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #16 on: Monday 20 November 23 20:18 GMT (UK) »
possible marriage a little away from expected places

Fred Carlisle dec qtr 1892 Peterbro vol 3b pg 607 with Harriet Farmer on the same page

 :-\

 good find

right names and within expected date range - wonder why Peterborough.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
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Re: Where is Fanny
« Reply #17 on: Monday 20 November 23 20:19 GMT (UK) »
George Friend and Elizabeth had a daughter Sarah Ann Friend in 1874, she would have been Fanny's half sister. Have you researched her?

Looks like Sarah Anne died aged 6 just before 1881 census, so she can't be Mrs Jefferies.

George Friend was a widower when he married Elizabeth. Were their any daughters from first marriage or his later marriage to Alice? The term sister might be used loosely and Mrs Jefferies was actually a step sister

George Friend had been married to Fanny Wells before Elizabeth Farmer

As far as I am aware George and Fanny had 4 boys before Fanny's death

In George Friend and Alice née Stedman are in Forest Row with
George and Fanny's sons
James aged 17,
George 15,
Jesse 11
And
Charlotte Friend, dau, 4, although Charlotte was actually Alice's illegitimate child and registered as Stedman
And finally Alice and George's son
Frederick H aged 1
No sign of Fanny

But Maybe i should research Charlotte as being Mrs Jefferies

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