Thomas potter and wife Mary ( Poss surname Glover)

[judi2632]

Hi

My 5th GGF Thomas Potter was born in 1771 Ilkeston Derbyshire. he was a Soldier in the 90th foot brigade the 69th foot brigade and the 3rd Veteran battalion ( Jersey)

he had three children born in the garrison in Jersey.

Elizabeth Potter in 1805
Barbara Ann Potter in 1807
Thomas Potter 1809

His wife was Mary ( No confirmed surname but possibly Glover ) I don't know where I got this surname from as I failed to log the source and can no longer find it. or could be a mistake my end.

Given he was a soldier and his wife was obviously with him in Jersey he could have married anywhere but according to the 1851 census Mary was born 1774 in Calverton Nottingham

Can anyone see a marriage that may help me confirm this info.

Kind regards Judi

[ColC]

I do not see a marriage to Mary Glover or a baptism in Calverton but below on freereg, might be worth a look.

Mary COOK to Thomas POTTER   Marriage   26 Jan 1792   Derbyshire   Brailsford : All Saints : Phillimore's Transcript

23 miles from Calverton, 13 miles from Ilkeston.

Two baptisms mother Elizabeth?

Mary COOK   Baptism   07 Dec 1773   Nottinghamshire   Southwell : St Mary the Virgin (Minster) : Parish Register

Mary COOK   Baptism   13 Dec 1773   Nottinghamshire   Southwell : St Mary the Virgin (Minster) : Parish Register

6 miles from Calverton, 16 miles from Ilkeston.

Colin

[maddys52]

Looking at the image for the 1851 it doesn't look like Calverton to me, but "Notts Colorton" which doesn't seem to be a place. However, I wondered if it was Coleorton, which I realise is in Leicestershire, but not all that far from Nottinghamshire. 

Have you investigated the James ARCHER and family who are visitors with the POTTERS in 1851? Though maybe his wife Hannah is related to Thomas, as also born Ilkeston?

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
There is a possible Chelsea Pensioner Record for him
Thomas Potter 40 1811 Nottingham ,Derby
3rd Royal Veteran Battalion
Born Ilkeston /Elcheston  Nottinghamshire Darby
Age 40 pension
Signed up 13 Dec 1793 age 23
Pensioned off as a result of bad ulcers received to wounds in Eygpt 13 March 1801
Private Thomas Potter age 40 5ft 6 brown hair gray eyes fresh complexion blacksmith
90 foot 13 Dec 1793-14 Dec 1802
59 foot 15 Dec 1802-18 Dec 1804
3rd Royal Vet Battalion 19 Dec 1804-5 July 1811

Unfortunately it doesn't give his marriage but maybe details of where is regiment was stationed may help

Ciderdrinker

[Annie65115]

Might be worth looking at these, given that the CP record suggests the occupation of blacksmith:

Marriage:
1802 08 19   Thomas   POTTER   Mary   SHAW   NOTTINGHAM St Mary


There are then no baptisms for a suitable couple there until 1816. Then there's a cluster, and no other Notts marriage to account for them -- possibly this could happen if Thomas's military service had come to an end and they'd moved back to Notts?
Baptisms to Thomas and Mary Potter at Notts St Mary:
1816 02 19      Sarah   Narrow Marsh   
1817 06 30      Mary     Narrow Marsh         Father's occ Blacksmith   
1819 03 02      John    Red Lion Square   Father's occ Blacksmith   
1821 05 08      Joseph   Robinson's Bldgs   Father's occ Blacksmith   
1822 08 18      Ruth     Wharf St       Father's occ Whitesmith   
1824 09 07      George   Butcher Close   Father's occ smith   

Some burials that match the addresses and/or names above, all at Notts St Mary:
1816 02 25   Thomas   POTTER   age 2m   Narrow Marsh   
1817 09 23   Mary   POTTER   age 3m   Red Lion Sq   
1818 06 27   William   POTTER   age 5   Red Lion Sq
1821 09 19   Joseph   POTTER   age 6m   Robinson's Wharf   
1822 01 27   John   POTTER   age 3   Robinson's Wharf   
1823 03 07   Ruth   POTTER   age 7m   Brewer St   
1825 03 13   George   POTTER   age 7m   Butchers St   

1853 03 03   Mary   POTTER   age 79   Butcher St   (so yob 1774)

[judi2632]

I have looked into the ARCHER family that were living with Thomas Potter and wife Mary in the 1851 census.

James Archer married Hannah POTTER 27 Dec 1829 • Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.

Hannah Potter was baptised to Thomas and Mary Potter on the 23 Feb 1812 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England

So we can conclude Hannah is part of the family. .......

Following on from that I took a look for further baptism's in Ilkeston to Thomas and Mary Potter and there is a William Potter Baptised 26 Sep 1813 • Derbyshire, England • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England  father ( Blacksmith)

I still have no proof of Mary's surname but following up all lines of research suggested will update any conclusive news.

Really appreciate all the help and advice and currently following all new lines of research

Thanks Judi
 

[Annie65115]

I have looked into the ARCHER family that were living with Thomas Potter and wife Mary in the 1851 census.

James Archer married Hannah POTTER 27 Dec 1829 • Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England.

Hannah Potter was baptised to Thomas and Mary Potter on the 23 Feb 1812 • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England

So we can conclude Hannah is part of the family. .......

Following on from that I took a look for further baptism's in Ilkeston to Thomas and Mary Potter and there is a William Potter Baptised 26 Sep 1813 • Derbyshire, England • Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England  father ( Blacksmith)

I still have no proof of Mary's surname but following up all lines of research suggested will update any conclusive news.

Really appreciate all the help and advice and currently following all new lines of research

Thanks Judi

William's birth would fit with the death of William Potter in 1818, as per list above.

[Annie65115]

If Mary and Thomas were born in the first half of the 1770s, it strikes me that even the earlier baptisms in barracks give a relatively late parental age.

So I'd look at the possibility that one or both parties had been married previously. If Mary was a widow when she married Thomas then it's going to be potentially trickier to find her surname.

Have you found them in 1841? Does it say whether Mary was born in the county?

[Designer Jeans]

There is reasonable info here https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LZPJ-M53/barbara-ann-potter-1807-1873 which is helpful.  Looks as though Thomas joined the army in 1793, was injured in Egypt in 1801 and posted back to Nottingham where he married Mary Shaw in 1802.  Then to Jersey where 3 children were baptised, left the army in 1811, 2 children bpt in Ilkeston, moved to Nottingham St Mary where several more children were bpt and buried.  According to 1841 and 1851 census and father's occupation on Barbara's second marriage certificate Thomas was a blacksmith.  Thomas died in 1853 quickly followed by Mary - Nottingham Journal 4/3/1853 "On Sunday last, aged 80, Mary Potter, Orchard's-yard, Butcher Street, Nottingham, having survived her husband (Thomas Putter) only seven weeks"

My best guess is that Mary's place of birth from the 1851 census is Carlton which is in the parish of Gedling and very convenient for Nottingham St Mary's.  I can't get a handle on where the Gedling parish registers circa 1773 are.  I can find a James Shaw on the 1851 census who says he was born in Carlton in 1779 but cannot find anything for Carlton/Gedling online around that time.