Harriet Ann Emms born c 1870

[Mildred298]

I can't find this 1871 entry.

Not sure about this 1871 census entry  Piece   167 Folio   9 Page number   11

Robert COTRILL 29   Head born Norwich occ coachman
Ann 24   Wife born Perth Scotland
Harriet A 5/12   Daughter born Marylebone

Is this the Emms family from 1881 census

[mckha489]

Here you go.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/28938248:7619?tid=&pid=&queryId=5b9c956771a521170425a1d587365103&_phsrc=oLJ2&_phstart=successSource

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1871%2F0167%2F0019&parentid=GBC%2F1871%2F0001299111

[Mildred298]

Thanks so much for everyone that's responded.
I'm confident I've found my Great Grandmother's BC but the surnames are very strange. Everything else aligns very well. It looks like the parents married after her birth so the mystery around them continues and maybe why the names are misaligned. Both the baptism record and the BC for Harriet Ann EMMS/COTTRELL agree other than on surname, including location and occupation.
Thanks once again,
Mildred

[Ladyhawk]

I'm confident I've found my Great Grandmother's BC but the surnames are very strange. Everything else aligns very well.

It looks like the parents married after her birth so the mystery around them continues and maybe why the names are misaligned.

Both the baptism record and the BC for Harriet Ann EMMS/COTTRELL agree other than on surname, including location and occupation.

This is a very long shot as this Robert is older than the one on 1881 census 

Will post details anyway just in case.....could parents have married after the birth of Harriet 

Robert EMMS 48 Batchelor occ Groom
Father Robert occ gardener

Maria COTHRELL 41 spinster
Father William occ Licenced Victualler
Surname signed as Cothell

Witnesses S H Copp?? & ? Nicholson

Married 20th December 1885 Parish Church St Peter’s Pimlico
Residence given for both Eaton Court
Image can be viewed on Anc*y

COTTRELL, HARRIET  ANN     DIXON 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 82
she's possible daughter of George & Mary

COTTRELL, HARRIET  ANN     MERSON 
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 480

Was it the b/c with mmn Merson?

I did try to see if I could find Robert Emms/Annie Cottrell/Merson on 1861 census to see if that might have held a clue but no luck 

Don’t know if there’s any connection to Annie 

Francis Cottrell
Occupation   Innkeeper, Occupant Of Inn
Residence Year   1867
Residence Place   Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
Place of Abode   6 St John's place

His marriage gives father’s name William occ Publican

Francis Cottrell
Marriage 3 May 1845 St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster)
spouse Elizabeth Escott

Louisa Escott Murson Cottrell
Birth   22 Oct 1864 PerthScotland
Father   Francis Cottrell Mother    Elizabeth Escott

Louisa Escott Merson Cottrell age 32
Marriage 26 Jan 1898Saint Mary, Finchley: Hendon Lane, Barnet, England
Father   Francis Merson Cottrell

[Mildred298]

Dear Ladyhawk,
What you've found is very interesting.
It is obvious that there was some movement around Annie and Robert Emms/Cottrell's names.

I now have Annie and Robert Cottrell in 1871 in St Marylebone with their daughter Harriet Ann, who I now know was born in 1870.

We now think that is their Marriage Cert in 1885.

And the 2nd GRO document is their daughter Harriet Ann's BC. But confusion still remains about the Merson bit unless that was an error by the Birth Registrar.
Thanks for your help.
Mildred