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Cause of death help needed
« on: Thursday 30 November 23 15:32 GMT (UK) »
The attached snippet shows the cause of death recorded for Thomas Dunbar who died 27 Dec 1905, in Toronto.
Any help with what it says will be welcome.

If anyone wants to see the full page for comparison  this is Ancestry's offering
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/3068286:8946?
(clicking to see the record image shows the left hand side, go to the following page to see the right hand side with cause of death)

and another version on FS
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9YV-M39L?i=68&cc=1307826
again, click through to next image for the cause of death.

Thanks

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Re: Cause of death help needed
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 November 23 15:41 GMT (UK) »
It looks like “specific” to me. I know that doesn’t make sense though. :P
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Re: Cause of death help needed
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 November 23 15:47 GMT (UK) »
thanks for looking Neale1961, looks like that to me too but just doesn't seem right.
All the others on the page have causes of death I have seen before but this one has me stumped.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 November 23 15:59 GMT (UK) »
'Specific' can be a noun meaning a specific drug or remedy for a disease, eg a specific for malaria, so could it be that he died from adverse side effects? Though if that was the case, you might expect a mention of what it was they were trying to treat or a bit more detail of what specific it was. I can't say I find this very convincing, but I can't think of any better alternative.

I got this definition from Merriam Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/specific
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Re: Cause of death help needed
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 November 23 16:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks arthurk, that's interesting but like you I'm not convinced.

This man is nowt but trouble! Other than this death record and a grant of admin in England to his widow. the only other definite record I have is his marriage in 1894, in Dublin.
His marriage cert 'says' his Dad. was Michael Dunbar, a photographer.
In 1901census Ireland, no sign of him and  his wife and children are with her father in law Henry Dunbar, a photographer who was RC and born in Dublin.

The death record for Thomas 'says' he was Anglican and born in England its definitely the right man as the administration has the same address an d.o.d.

Not found any passenger list for him emigrating

They don't make it easy :-)

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 November 23 19:15 GMT (UK) »
Assuming there was only one Henry Dunbar photographer in Dublin.
There is a death in 1905 for a Henry Michael Dunbar, photographer on Irish Genealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05580/4567372.pdf

There is one of those legal notices for creditors after his death which names his son Prince Arthur Dunbar 1 Regents Square St Maurice Road, York, as administrator in the Irish Independent.

Will Calendar
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014914/005014914_00356.pdf

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« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 November 23 20:08 GMT (UK) »
These look like summary listings of deaths, were they compiled from individual sources like certificates and if so, could the answer simply be mistranscription? 

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Re: Cause of death help needed
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 November 23 21:18 GMT (UK) »
Assuming there was only one Henry Dunbar photographer in Dublin.
There is a death in 1905 for a Henry Michael Dunbar, photographer on Irish Genealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05580/4567372.pdf

There is one of those legal notices for creditors after his death which names his son Prince Arthur Dunbar 1 Regents Square St Maurice Road, York, as administrator in the Irish Independent.

Will Calendar
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014914/005014914_00356.pdf

Thank you Sinann

I had seen that death record but not sure as all I know is that in 1901 Henry Dunbar was recorded on the 1901 census as being 51 and living at Sarsfield Quay with his daughter in law and grandchildren (I am happy that its the right woman and her children as that checks out with the records)

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Sarsfield_Quay/1339272/

which doesn't match with age or residence ? Though I readily accept that ages etc were only as far as the informant knew and folk moved around a lot, so it 'could' well be the right one, it still takes into the possible but doesn't quite fit category.

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 30 November 23 21:33 GMT (UK) »
These look like summary listings of deaths, were they compiled from individual sources like certificates and if so, could the answer simply be mistranscription?

I have no idea gaffy.
 but the record is a match for the England & Wales 1906 probate calendar entry for Thomas Dunbar of 16 Tate Street , Toronto who died 27 Dec 1905 at the Toronto General Hospital and admin was granted to his widow Maria.
I have a copy of the grant and that gives her address as 7 Alleard St, Liverpool.
 Her death register entry in 1907 has her address as 7 Alleard St and says she is the widow of Thomas Dunbar, an electrician.

So that all adds up.

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