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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 03 December 23 11:51 GMT (UK) »
Were you able to open the Newtonbreda Road area map on the PRONI link, then use the layers option to overlay one of the historic maps, eg from c1900?
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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 03 December 23 12:05 GMT (UK) »
No, but somewhere else I found the 1901 OS map, 1:10000 scale, which shows the row of terrace houses opposite the "Old Church", now numbers 539 to 561 (approx.) Ormeau Road.
I suppose those are the ones, but there's no direct evidence.
I'll try asking the city council -- though recently I had a reply to a message I sent them a year ago!

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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 03 December 23 13:05 GMT (UK) »
Yes, those are the ones opposite St John's church, but there's nothing to say it was called Marguerite Terrace.  I didn't like to go knocking on people's doors on a Sunday morning, and the present occupants probably wouldn't know anyway.
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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 December 23 14:51 GMT (UK) »
Yes, those are the ones opposite St John's church, but there's nothing to say it was called Marguerite Terrace.  I didn't like to go knocking on people's doors on a Sunday morning, and the present occupants probably wouldn't know anyway.
Have a look at ShaunJ's streetview - no 551. Above the door it shows "3". I think this might be its original No. as part of Marguerite Terrace? Look at the roofline and the style of house changes at No. 547 which would be No. 1 Marguerite Terrace.
Checking the "Houses for Sale/Let" in newspapers the houses in Marguerite Terrace had front and back gardens.
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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 03 December 23 15:21 GMT (UK) »

There appear to be nine houses in the terrace (Marguerite Terrace?), running from no 547 to no 563, on the corner of St Johns Avenue. All have back gardens.

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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 03 December 23 16:02 GMT (UK) »
I had tried to determine how many houses might have made up the terrace from "walking" Streetview - but the St John's Ave end was obscured by trees/hedges etc. I have only seen Nos 1-8 for Marguerite Terrace when checking newspapers (which doesn't mean there wasn't a No 9 or higher).

Revisiting Proni I see there are 8 dwellings from Rosetta Ave to No 545. One 1893 advert reads "... 5-8 Marguerite Terrace, immediately opposite Rosetta Park ...." I think I've also seen " ... Marguerite Terrace, Rosetta Avenue ...".

So frustrating! 

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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 03 December 23 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for that: kind of you to go to the trouble. 
However, Rosetta Park and Rosetta Avenue are opposite each other.
I think it must mean between the ends of Rosetta Avenue and St John's Avenue,
or opposite Knockbreda Road, which brings us back to roughly opposite St John's church.

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Oh, and Grace died at no. 8, so it doesn't matter too much whether there were higher numbers.
I assume no. 1 was at the end nearer the centre of town.  I'll pop back in daylight and see whether I can work out which current number could have been no. 8.
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Re: where was Marguerite Terrace, Belfast?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 04 December 23 14:02 GMT (UK) »
I admit it hadn't occurred to me that if I enter the name of a ficticious person Marguerite Terrace, then Findmypast responds with numerous newspaper references (in this case advertisements).
As hanes teulu found, a couple of them say "opposite Rosetta Park", which is roughly true for house no. 1.  Others say Ballynafeigh Road, but after about 1898 it's Ormeau Road: evidently the name changed about then.

A puzzle is that the 1901 OS map shows a row of eight houses filling the space between the ends of Rosetta Avenue and St John's Avenue, whereas there are now twice as many in that row.  I don't know whether the eight were demolished and replaced by narrower ones at some stage.  Never mind: I think we can be reasonably certain that it's the row opposite the end of Knockbreda Road.

My thanks to all who helped.

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