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Registration Act
« on: Sunday 03 December 23 23:53 GMT (UK) »
I have attached the marriage registration for Charles Hole and Elizabeth Hole.  I note that people have posted other questions about being married by a registrar's certificate vs by banns or license however I am wondering if anyone can advise on The Registration Act of 13th Nov 1850 that is noted under Condition. I can find no reference to it under legislation that I could find and I am wondering if it has anything to do with marrying a relative.  Charles was previously married to Ann Portington Spring a daughter of William Spring who passed a couple of months after the marriage in 1851.  I note that Elizabeth Hole gives William Spring as her father and of course unusual for bride and groom to have the same surname listed Hole. 

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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 December 23 02:23 GMT (UK) »
I can't find anything in Hansard for 1850.
But this may be interest in 1855.

api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1855.mar/13/marriage-law-amendment

It looks to me as if they had a civil ceremony first - they were married at the church having already had a "Registrar's Certificate of marriage", and then went to the church for what we would now call a blessing - having it solemnized, as it says at the top.
In which case, Elizabeth would indeed officially be called Elizabeth Hole, as given on this entry, as she would have been already married to Charles Hole.
It sounds as though she was related to Charles's first wife Ann - perhaps she was her sister - both daughters of William Spring -  in which case the link to the information in Hansard could apply. They were married two years after this entry in Hansard.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 December 23 07:43 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 December 23 08:03 GMT (UK) »
From the GRO:
There's a baptism of an Elizabeth Hole, June quarter 1860 Kensington, mother's maiden name Spring.....
and a Harriet Hole Dec quarter 1865 again Kensington, mother's maiden name Spring.......
Herbert Henry Dec quarter 1869, mmn Spring
Louisa March quarter 1871
No way of telling on here who the father was though.


Where did you find the chldrens' names Kay? The OP didn't mention them.
(I see you've deleted those other ones now Kay).
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #4 on: Monday 04 December 23 08:11 GMT (UK) »
1871 Census
Charles Hole, aged 40, Shoemaker, born Waltham Green, lives Paddington, Middlesex.
Wife Elizabeth aged 39, birthplace 'Exceter'. This is a transcription on familysearch. Possibly 'Exeter'?
Children Elizabeth aged 11,
Henriette aged 7, (this is probably Henry above)
Harriet aged 5.
Emily aged 3,
Herbert, aged 1
and Louisa aged 0.
These fit with the Registrations found before.

Do you have the actual image of this tfordcan?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 December 23 08:19 GMT (UK) »
Yep, 1881 Census has Elizabeth, Charles's wife, born in Exeter. Now aged '47'.

Charles John Hole married Ann Portington Spring in Hull. Oct Nov Dec quarter 1850.

Ann Portington Spring  had an illegitimate daughter June 1840, baptised in York, named Elizabeth Wilson Spring. No father's name given on the transcription on familysearch. Looks like she died Oct quarter 1840. 'Age 0'.

Ann Portington Spring baptised 4 April 1817 at Holy Trinity, Hull to William Spring and Ann. He is given as a tailor.

William Spring married Ann Portington 22 Dec 1811 Wrawby Lincolnshire.
Also a Timothy Portington Spring baptised 25 Jan 1822  Hull.


It looks as if they moved around a fair bit.
Elizabeth might be right with her place of birth in Exeter, or she may not have know exactly where she was born, and made it up!
I can't find a likely birth for her at present.(Not looked on Ancestry and findmypast as I don't have  sub).
If William and Ann moved around the country, as it seems they did, and she was born about 1834 or so, she may never have been baptised, and there will be no record of her birth.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 December 23 08:21 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Goldie - I got so confused with the later children and delated it

I looked on Anc family trees for the family which lists a Charles Hole b 1855/6

The baptism for Charles - birth listed as Dec 24 1855
Charles Hale
Baptism Date   12 Oct 1856   St John, Paddington, Westminster, England
Father   Charles Hale
Mother   Elizabeth Hale
Address same as marriage and Charles a Cordwainer

However the registered birth of Charles Hole in 1855 in Kensington with mothers maidne name Edwards is in the March Qtr is too early so the wrong Charles

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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 December 23 08:43 GMT (UK) »
I looked at a list of Acts for 1850:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom,_1850%E2%80%931854

Nothing looks likely.
Also no Acts dated November 1850?
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Re: Registration Act
« Reply #8 on: Monday 04 December 23 09:25 GMT (UK) »
I looked at a list of Acts for 1850:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_Parliament_of_the_United_Kingdom,_1850%E2%80%931854

Nothing looks likely.
Also no Acts dated November 1850?

No I couldn't find any acts either KGarrad
Perhaps the vicar got the wrong date.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs