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French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« on: Tuesday 05 December 23 05:31 GMT (UK) »
I found this purely by accident when looking for a marriage on one of the Rodiere notary films . (Lovergne. 12J 1-201. 1627-1631. PAge 6/22)

Am I correct in thinking this says Charles D'aire 'the younger'?
If so, it would seem his father was also a Charles D'aire - so the next generation found.
(The Anne Chevalier in this piece died not long after this, and Charles D'aire remarried Jeanne Senlecque - for anyone following these French lines.)

I'd appreciate some help with the few missing/unclear words.
Google says 'foraines' are fairgrounds?
Does anyone know what the money would have been in 1629?

9 Juin 1629

Charles D’aire le jeune lab et Anne Chevalier sa f(emm)e d(emeuran)t
en la maison + ferme d’hatchen? s’obligent de 64  17  3
de rente envers damoiselle Magd(elai)ne Le coes? V(euv)e de feu h.h.
 Emmanuel Cardon vivant eschev(in) et recepueur? des [      ]
foraines et domanieres en lad(it) v(ille),


Merci beaucoup
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 December 23 07:51 GMT (UK) »
9 Juin 1629

Charles D’aire le jeune lab( LAB=LABOUREUR) et Anne Chevalier sa f(emm)e d(emeuran)t
en la maison + ferme d’HATEHEN or HALEHEN or HALCHEN or HATCHEN (or is the A an O)? s’obligent de 64 LIVRES  17 SOL 3 DENIERS
de rente envers damoiselle Magd(elai)ne Le COQ? V(euv)e de feu h.h.
 Emmanuel Cardon vivant eschev(in) et RECEPTEUR des [   TRAITES   ]
foraines et DOUANIERES en lad(it) v(ille),

Correct Charles Daire le jeune

https://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/foraine


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Re: French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 December 23 00:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much joger.
Just checking that this is basically Charles D'aire and Anne Chevalier's payment of rent for a house and farm at Hatchen (or variations of spelling), to the widow of Emmanuel Cardon, who presumably owned the land, and was an official who collected a range of taxes.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« Reply #3 on: Monday 11 December 23 10:55 GMT (UK) »
Late answer :

1 LIVRE tournois = 20 sous (1 SOL, or SOU but many SOUS) = 240 DENIERS
1 SOL or SOU = 12 DENIERS

Same thing in England before 1971 ( 1 pound , 20 shillings  ,12 pence)


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Re: French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« Reply #4 on: Monday 11 December 23 19:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much joger.  :)
I wonder what the equivalent value is today?
One site I found on-line  (www.pierre-marteau.com/currency/converter/fra-eng.html)
gives 64 lives 17 sol 3 deniers as the equivalent of 4 pounds 17 shillings and 4 pence, although you can't seem to put in an exact date.
Would you think that was about right?



Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: French item from Rodiere manuscripts
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 December 23 09:53 GMT (UK) »
1 livre parisis= 1,25 livre tournois

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livre_tournois

https://convertisseur-monnaie-ancienne.fr/
here " livre" is for " livre tournois"


1 livre tournois in 1629 = 34,08 euros ( nowadays)

64 livres 17 sous 3 deniers  =2210,27 euros

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syst%C3%A8me_mon%C3%A9taire_du_royaume_de_France

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