Annie Owen from Welsh family

[collwyn ap tangno]

Sorry, I didn’t answer the question…

Yes this is the family that I’m looking at, the methusalem goes back through the generations and is easy to find!

No I hadn’t seen the marriage of catherine. I couldn’t find her in the 1861 census and had assumed that she was in Ireland by then.

William is consistently in clynnog throughout. His occupation changes from shoemaker to labourer to parish clerk or sexton.

thanks again

[heywood]

1861 4372 /110/53

Cath Jones, 19 yrs b Clynnog is a dairymaid in Holyhead in the household of Wm B Panton.

Are you saying that there is a Robert Jones in 1871 who marries as Williams in 1879?
Also, is his father named as William Jones?
Where is he in both censuses?

[collwyn ap tangno]

Hi, no, he’s down as a Robert Williams in 1871 before marrying.

But in Wales surnames at this time wasn’t a thing for everyone.  Robert would’ve always referred to himself as Robert son of William but as a child in a census the officials would’ve put him down as a Jones, the same as the father. The practice died out in the late 19th century.

For example, the William Jones in the thread ( the clynnog one), his father was called John Williams. Parish records respect the actual names, censuses, in most cases, do not.

I know, confusing.

[heywood]

Where is Robert in 1871 and 1881?
When and where was he born?

[heywood]

Did he marry Laura Rowlands?

1881 5556/74/10
Shows him born Llanfihangel.

Looking at the marriage certificate, none of the other male spouses show a different surname to their father.
Could it have been an error?

[collwyn ap tangno]

hi, he’s a servant in the parish of llanystumdwy (spelt llanystymdwy sometimes) in 1871. 18 years old. The farm is called Coed Cae Du. Born in Llanfihangel P. Caernarvonshire.  This is Llanfihangel-y-pennant, the adjoining parish, not to be confused with another further south and many others of the same name within Wales.

He’s in Tyddyn mawr in 1879 as per marriage cert. This is about a mile away from the 1871 location. I’ve assumed that this is the correct one because it’s within the parish of marriage and a couple of fields away from where I know his wife was from.

He’s in Llanaelaearn (spelt llanaelhaiarn then) in 1881 with his wife, Laura (nee Rowlands).

To add to the confusion, in the 1911 census his birthplace is Portmadoc. This is the parish of Ynyscynhaearn (spelt ynyscynhaiarn then). Llanfihangel y pennant is one of those parishes with multiple detached areas and parts are within a couple of miles of Porthmadog.

[heywood]

Thanks. My point was that he is not born Clynnog in any of the censuses.
If his father was William Jones, shoemaker, he might have been illegitimate. I think William was only that occupation in early censuses.

I think Grace Jones married David Evans in 1878 and she gave her father as William Jones, labourer.
Catherine Owen was a witness.

[nestagj]

Several other threads about this extended family by the OP.
Nesta

[heywood]

Oh dear 

Never mind, I am trying to help anyway.
I’ll see what has been offered /found before.