Ellen Collins m. Michael Delaney in Yass 1842, died 1843

[judb]

There is another arrival which may fit - so little information though!

from
New South Wales, Australia, Assisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1828-1896
Ellen Collins, 25, dairymaid
Birth Date   abt 1816
Arrival: 18 Sep. 1841, New South Wales, Australia
Origin Location   Tullogh Co Clare
Vessel   Canton
Can Read and Write   Neither
Religion   Rn. Cathc
Parents: John Collins, Margt
Brought out by Thomas Gore & Co
Under protection of her brother Pat Collins.

This Ellen had a sister, Mary Collins on the same ship, aged 19 all other details the same as Ellen.
You have already noted a marriage for a Mary Collins, registered in Yass in 1842 
Volume reference V18421431 92
Mary Collins, John Burnett
Denomination Roman Catholic

With so little information I'm unable to find anything re the brother named as Pat Collins

Judith

 

[iseekhome]

Hi   If you follow this link it will take you to Michael Delaney burial.  It has a story attached and then click on the burial links for each family member to show further info.   https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/172911440/michael-delaney

[judb]

NSW BMD has indexed the (probable) death of the baby -probably not - see below

DELANEY MARY A
767/1853 V1853767 146 LH - we know that LH is an abbreviation for a Yass Roman Catholic registration.
My mistake, sorry! Amended to add: this is incorrect - according to NSW BMD the church code LH is for Roman Catholic, Parramatta, St Patrick's
LF is the code for Roman Catholic Yass

Probably not given the above information. This death certificate may give information about Ellen as well. It's cheaper and quicker to use a transcription agent for NSW BMDs. Link here: https://www.nsw.gov.au/family-and-relationships/family-history-search/search-guide#toc-family-history-search-enquiries 
All of the three listed agents are excellent. 

I'm not finding a registration of birth of the baby, nor a death registration for Ellen.

Judith

[sparrett]

I'm not finding a registration of birth of the baby, nor a death registration for Ellen.

Judith

We must remember too, that the biographical information on "find a grave" is by user contribution, so it may not always be correct.

As matter of interest, in regard to the 2 COLLINS sisters per Canton to the protection of brother Pat COLLINS, there was a Patrick COLLINS at Yass receiving (or not receiving) mail in 1846

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/230141781

An observation

Single women were very scarce in those early colonial days.
Marriage of those of eligible age usually took place within a year or two of arrival.

Sue

[sparrett]

I have just spotted Patrick COLLINS on the same voyage of the Canton as the two lasses Ellen and Mary COLLINS given by Judith above.
He was 27, a farm labourer b. County Care.
Roman Catholic who could read and write and imported by Thomas GORE.

He gives his father as John and mother, hard to read, but might be Peggy........


Sue

[judb]

Excellent find, Sue!  And "Peggy" could easily be "Margaret"!

[sparrett]

I would like to know more Thomas GORE, shipping agent.

I am not completely sure of the role of such agents.
Did his role embrace employment or placement of immigrants?

Sue

 

[judb]

Bounty immigrants were free immigrants whose passage was paid by the colonial government under the `bounty scheme'. Under this scheme, an incentive or reward (i.e. bounty) was paid to recruiting agents in Britain to find suitable skilled labour and tradespeople, then ship them out to the new colony which urgently needed the working class people to do the manual labour in this new and untouched land.
From
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hilaryfr/genealogy/booth/bounty.htm
Bounties were paid to the ships' masters for the safe delivery of their passengers under the scheme. The typical bounty was 19 pound ($38) for an adult and 5 pound for a child. Bounty for the amount of 4,956 pound was claimed for the agent, AB Smith & Co. of Sydney, for the safe and healthy arrival of the immigrants on the "England" in July 1841.

Under the `bounty scheme' newly married couples, or single men and women were given preference. Large families were rarely accepted. Selected immigrants were generally shepherds, ploughmen and agricultural labourers, with a lesser number of tradespeople such as brickmakers, carpenters, blacksmiths, tailors and needlewomen.

There's quite a few articles found about the bounty scheme by googling, eg -
https://jennyjresearch.com/resfldr/Notes%20on%20Assisted%20and%20Bounty%20Immigration%20to%20Australia.pdf

It's my understanding that the shipping agent wasn't necessarily involved in where/how the immigrants went after landing. Their responsibilities were with organising the actual ships and voyages.  Thomas Gore appears to be quite a large firm.

Judith

[Scottie Lark]

Wivenhoe
It's all a bit sketchy but here are some of the documented "facts" that I think I have nailed down:

Ellen Collins was of European descent (per my mtDNA test) and she married Michael Delaney in Yass on 25 Oct.1842 (marriage certificate). It seems generally accepted that she died in 1843 after giving birth to Mary Ann but I'm not sure what hard evidence there is for that. There is a baptismal certificate for Mary Ann Delaney (available from the Yass parish) but I haven't seen it yet. Apparently that gives Mary Ann's DoB as 31 August 1843, and I presume that's why the same date is assigned to Ellen's death but in the absence of a death registration or death certificate that's unverified. Apparently the baptismal certificate names her mother as "Catherine" which is curious.  By the way, where did you get the 1846 date from?
The location of her grave is also unknown. Her Find-a-Grave entry states that she was buried in Yass general cemetary but there seems to be no verifiable evidence for that (the uploader couldn't provide any documentation and the Yass Historical Society has advised that the cemetery wasn't in use in 1843).
Michael and Ellen had one female offspring (per Michael's death certificate).
Mary Ann's first daughter was named "Ellen" which seems to support that parentage.
Mary Delaney married James Boyd in 1862 in Yass (3325/1862). I haven't seen any marriage certificate.
Mary Ann later formed a defacto relationship with James Hendry (or Hendrey), with whom she had eight children (born from 1867 to 1882).
Mary Boyd married Michael Powell in 1896 (5008/1896) in Boorowa, NSW.
Mary Powell died on 11 Sept. 1929 (17798/1929) in Murringo and her obituary says she was 85 and had been previously married to James Boyd. The age at death would make her year of birth as 1844, but perhaps that's an error in the obituary. Just to muddy the waters further, the death registration gives her father's name as Michael and her mother as "Mary" (transcription error?).
Michael Delaney married Catherine Hanon (or Honon/Hanan/Hannan) in Yass on 1845 and they had eight children.
Michael died near Yass on 15 July 1881 and is buried in the Yass general cemetery.
Michael Delaney's will shows that he bequeathed one shilling to Mary Boyd (but the bulk of his (reasonable) estate went to his sons Michael and James and his wife Catherine.
Catherine died on 29 July 1896, also at their farm in the Yass district and is also buried in the Yass general cemetery.

Please let me know of any corrections or additions.
Thanks
Bill