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Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« on: Wednesday 13 December 23 18:04 GMT (UK) »
I found a baptism record for a Jane Williams - Father William Williams and Mother Mary.  The residence address is Cfymaesllan, Glanyrafon could this be the same address  as Glanyrafon Farm, Pencarreg, Carmarthenshire, Wales where Eleazer lived with his father?



Name   William Williams
Gender   Male
Residence Place   Cfymaesllan Glanyrafon
Occupation   Servant in Husbandry
Spouse   Mary Jones
Child   Jane Williams

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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 18:36 GMT (UK) »
See other post here for background

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=878654.msg7508247#msg7508247

Bidr- this may have been better posted on the thread above as nobody reading this post would know the background so would be unable to pass an opinion

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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 18:38 GMT (UK) »
See other post here for background

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=878654.msg7508247#msg7508247

Bidr- this may have been better posted on the thread above as nobody reading this post would know the background so would be unable to pass an opinion

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thank you, Done! ... I did put a post there as well but was getting nothing ?

Where one is Cardiganshire and other information is from Carmarthenshire, totally confused with the areas in Wales and dates areas changed.

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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 18:43 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
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My Apologies all, Didn't mean to upset!  I didn't realise old posts continually got read, I know now for future.
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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 19:19 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 20:00 GMT (UK) »
the couple on the baptism are not married and it's Mary Jones that is from Glanyrafon, William Williams from Cefnmaesllan.

Glanyrafon isn't an unusual place name. The one in Llanarth
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01suq/

the one in Pencarreg
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01sur/

If you need to know about a parish, try Genuki
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Pencarreg

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CGN/Llannarth
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 December 23 20:20 GMT (UK) »
My reply #11 on the other thread identifies a William Williams at Glanyrafon Farm, Pencarreg under Tithe maps (compiled around the 1840s). Interesting to note the 10 fields with William Williams as occupier are only a stone's throw from Pyllau Crynionion - the 1851 abode of a William Williams..

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https://places.library.wales/search/52.086/-4.057/16?alt=&page=1&refine=&query=glanyrafon&order=desc&sort=score&rows=100&county%5B%5D=Carmarthen&parish_facet%5B%5D=Pencarreg&occupier_facet%5B%5D=William%20Williams&leaflet-base-layers_98=on

When map delivered click on NLS 1888 button to replace modern map and use zoom out (-) to display Pyllau Crynion.

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Re: Could this be the Mother of Eleazer Williams?
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 December 23 14:05 GMT (UK) »
On the same page (6) of the 1841 Census for William Williams is "Gellywrol" and "Tywylym". Checking out the three on tithe map -

1841 Census :- Place - Gellywrol, Occupier - Daniel Jones
Tithe map :- Farm Name - Gellywrol, Occupier - Daniel Davies, Field No. with building 1036, 1039

1841 Census :- Place - Tywylym, Occupier - John Joseph
Tithe map :- Farm Name - Tygwilym, Occupier - John Joseph, Field No. with building 1018

1841 Census :- Place - Glanrafon, Occupier William Wms
Tithe map :- Farm Name - Glanyrafon, Occupier William Williams, Field No. with building 974

This link should take you to the Tithe map and field nos.
https://places.library.wales/viewer/4644161#?cv=&h=974&xywh=15554%2C13128%2C1804%2C961

The building on field no 974 might not be a family dwelling (the field name is Cae War Ty) but its location close to Nant Eiddig would make Glanyrafon more than appropriate.

You can see Gelli-wrol and Ty-Gwilym on the 1887 map previously posted. Also note the variations in spelling of the place names.

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