John Williams Burgess & George Williams Burgess

[AMBLY]

John Williams Burgess - Williams - with the s.
Noting his two children definitively have Williams as a middle name:
May Williams Burgess 1892
John Williams Burgess 1897

Doubly denotes "Williams" is someone's surname and important enough to John that it be 'carried' down?

 Cheers
AMBLY

[Gadget]

That's what I had thought, Ambly 

contd...

The fact that John can't be found in the 71 and 81, suggests that he might have been called by a different surname - John Williams  or ??

[Gadget]

I see that John was a labour living in Ince on his marriage cert. Also, a Samuel Nield was a witness.
In the 1891 census, there is a Samuel Nield, 46, living in Ince. He was a labourer M.S.C.

RG12/2868/15/3

I'm not sure what M.S.C. stands for but could it be that John and Samuel were work mates?

Gadget

[Gadget]

I think that M.S.C. was  Manchester Shipping Canal

https://www.dredgepoint.org/dredging-database/equipment/msc-ince

[markoid1]

I think that M.S.C. was  Manchester Shipping Canal

https://www.dredgepoint.org/dredging-database/equipment/msc-ince

Thanks Gadget. It was indeed the canal.

I’ve spent over 10 years on this one, but am enjoying the theory related to Hannah the most. Particularly as Hannah was from Staffordshire and John changed his place of birth to Staffordshire on the 1921 census.

I’m hoping I’ll get a DNA breakthrough on this line one day.

Meantime, thanks for the searches and information - really appreciate it.

[Gadget]

There are a couple of interesting households in the 1841 for Burgess families. They are on consecutive pages -John Burgess and Hannah Burgess  and others as one household and a George Burgess and Mary in another household.

HO107/986/6/33/24

HO107/986/6/32/23

 

Gadget