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John KING
« on: Tuesday 19 December 23 12:12 GMT (UK) »
John King was I believe born in Corsham in c1844.

The most definite records I have of him are from 1871 and 1872. In the April 1871 census, he was aged 28 living with his wife Mary Ann King and her children in Islington. The actual marriage to Mary Ann did not take place until the February of the following year in Islington. At his marriage, he was a 30 yo bachelor and labourer. His father  was named as George King, an agricultural labourer. Both of these known events point to a birth in 1843 or 1844, which according to the 1871C was in Corsham.

Tracking down his birth has proved more difficult, with all the available records - or at least the ones I can find - conflicting.

There is a birth in April 1844 in Corsham of a John King. The father being LUKE King and the mother Mary (née Harris). There is a matching marriage in Corsham for Luke and Mary on 10 Sep 1844. There is a non-matching marriage in Corsham on 09 Dec 1841 of GEORGE King and Rebekah HILLIAR.

The 1851C reveals five children named King in the Laycock Workhouse: Martha (8), James (6), Elizabeth (5), George (7) and John (5). All five were born in Corsham.

The 1861C has a George King (45), who was born in Corsham and is a widower and railway labourer, living in Clifton, Glos. There are six children living with him: John (16), b Corsham, George (12), b Devon, Sarah (10), b Corsham, Mary (8), b Corsham, James (4), b Corsham, and Henry (2), b Somerset. All carry the King surname and are acknowledged as being either a son or daughter.

I am not sure which if any of the above relate to the John King who married Mary Ann Connelly in 1872, a widow who's husband had died in 1866.

I would appreciate some help in trying to piece together the life of John King preceding his marriage to Mary Ann.


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Re: John KING
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 12:52 GMT (UK) »

The 1861C has a George King (45), who was born in Corsham and is a widower and railway labourer, living in Clifton, Glos. There are six children living with him: John (16), b Corsham, George (12), b Devon, Sarah (10), b Corsham, Mary (8), b Corsham, James (4), b Corsham, and Henry (2), b Somerset. All carry the King surname and are acknowledged as being either a son or daughter.


This is weird, possible children of 'George' but they have mmn as Harris but I shall post it anyway

KING, GEORGE       mmn HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1848  Sept Quarter in AXBRIDGE UNION  Volume 10  Page 311

KING, SARAH  ANN     mmn HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1849  Dec Quarter in CHIPPENHAM  Volume 08  Page 279
 
KING, MARY       mmn HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1852  Dec Quarter in CHIPPENHAM  Volume 05A  Page 55

KING, HENRY    mmn    HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1859  March Quarter in WELLS  Volume 05C  Page 651
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Re: John KING
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 13:39 GMT (UK) »
In 1841 Corsham there is an Ann King (60) with 2 possible sons Luke 23 and George 20  ::)
Baptisms for Luke shows parents John & Ann, George could be Edwin George same parents
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The 1851C reveals five children named King in the Laycock Workhouse: Martha (8), James (6), Elizabeth (5), George (7) and John (5). All five were born in Corsham.


Probable birth registrations for children in workhouse 1851 -

KING, MARTHA       mmn PEGLER 
GRO Reference: 1842  S Quarter in CHIPPENHAM  Volume 08  Page 275

KING, JAMES       mmn PEGLER 
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in CHIPPENHAM  Volume 08  Page 310

KING, ELIZABETH       mmn PEGLER 
GRO Reference: 1847  M Quarter in CHIPPENHAM  Volume 08  Page 303

Probable marriage
Marriage Dec qtr 1841
KING    Henry       
PEGLER    Mary       
Chippenham    8   487

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Henry was buried at Corsham 02 Jun 1847 age 30   
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Re: John KING
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Rosie99 - some good finds. I'm now even more confused about what is happening. John seems to think his father is George, in which case his mother is Rebekah HALLIAR. The discovery of children fathered by George with Mary HARRIS as their mother is, as you say, simply weird.

Could one of the brothers have died? Did Luke die young and George take over parental responsibilities?

The only John King birth I can find in the area and time frame is the one for Luke. I cannot find one fathered by George.

As I said in my first post, all the pre-1871 records are conflicting. Without someone finding a new clarifying record, I can't see anyway of sorting this out.


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Re: John KING
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 14:26 GMT (UK) »
I can't see an early death for Luke but I did also wonder about George taking on the responsibility of his children.  Wish I could find George and Luke in 1851 with their wives.
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Re: John KING
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 14:35 GMT (UK) »
Luke is in Lambeth in 1871 - wife Mary and children including Henry 12 born Shepton Mallet and James bn Wells
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Re: John KING
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 14:41 GMT (UK) »
Luke is in Lambeth in 1871 - wife Mary and children including Henry 12 born Shepton Mallet and James bn Wells

Youngest child is
KING, EDWARD       mmn COOK 
GRO Reference: 1871  March Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 327

Marriage Sep qtr 1861   
COOK    Mary Wilton       
King    Luke       
Clifton    6a   195
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Re: John KING
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 14:47 GMT (UK) »
For info
1871 Lambeth. RG10/648 f61 p37
Luke   King   52   bn Corsham   Wiltshire occ Excavator
Mary W   36   born Bristol, Gloucestershire
James   14   Born Wells, Wiltshire
Henry   12   Born S Mallet, Somerset
Hannah M   10   Born Bristol, Gloucestershire
William T   6   Born Bristol, Gloucestershire
Edward   3mths Born Lambeth, Surrey
FindMyPast have it as 'Ring'

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Luke married Mary Wilton Cook 28th July 1861 in Bristol - image is on Ancestry.  Luke is widowed.  Looks like he is George in 1861


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Re: John KING
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 19 December 23 15:03 GMT (UK) »
It is looking as though John could be the son of Luke bn c1844.   In 1861 for some reason Luke is calling himself George, he remarries later that year and is in Lambeth in 1871.  Your John also appears in London c1871  :-\

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