John E Jones - Corris/Llanelltyd/Bontddu

[BethWJ]

Hi all,

I've come to a dead end in my family tree and really struggling to find out any information.

I'm researching my great great grandfather John Edward Jones (born August 8th 1874) in Corris. He later married Catherine Ellis (born Feb 26th 1880). They married on 28th of May 1909 in Rohoboth Islaw'rdref and their address is listed as Tyn Y Coed Tyrnol, Llanelltyd, I have all of this information on their marriage certificate. John Edward Jones's father is called John Jones and is listed as deceased on the marriage certificate in 1909. There is also a Ruth Jones listed as witnessing the marriage however I'm unsure whether it's a mother or sibling! They later moved to Caegwian farm Bontddu as found in the 1939 register. I also found his record of his death in a newspaper as 7 of June 1946 and leaving everything to his wife Catherine.

Other than that I cannot find any information about John Edward Jones that will help me trace further back - I'm looking for birth record, baptism, census. The only information I have is the marriage certificate, 1911 census (Census Reference - RG14PN34313 RG78PN1981 RD627 SD2 ED23 SN62), 1921 census (district reference - RD 627 RS 2 ED 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16) and 1939 register (archive reference - RG101/7644H/003/10)

Thanks so much!

[DCB]

The only one I can find in 1901 was visiting Lewis Edwards in Corris, with his assumed brother, William.

However, in 1881-91, they both seem to be sons of Edward Jones.

Is there an occupation for his father?

My ancestors used to live at Caegwian, spelled incorrectly in 1921, although much earlier.

You may have seen photgraphs online:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cae_Gwian._-_geograph.org.uk_-_247286.jpg

David

[BethWJ]

Hi David,

Thanks so much.

Both John Edward Jones and his father John Jones were farmers I believe.

I believe I’d seen that one but wasn’t sure whether the age aligned correctly with his date of birth. I hadn’t seen the photograph, thanks for sharing!

[Mabel Bagshawe]

This looks interesting

 1891 Ty'n y Coed, Llanelltyd

John Jones            Head    Married     56    Farmer    b Llanfachreth     
Cathrine    Jones    Wife    Married     54      b   Llangywer
John Jones            Son    Single    16    Labourer  b Llanelltyd
Robert Jones      Nephew    Single    16    Labourer b Corris [Ancestry have transcribed as Corwen, but looks like Corris to me]

1881 Bryntirion, Corris

John Jones    45    Head b LLanfacheth, slate quarrie
Cathrine Jones  43  b Llangower
Hugh Jones       16 b Dolgelly
Jane Jones         14 b Dolgelly
John Jones         6 b Talyllyn
   

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Cathrine Jones , aged 71, of Ty'n y Coed Llanelltyd, buried 11 Sept 1909. Buried under the new Act, certified by John E Jones of Ty'n y Coed

[Mabel Bagshawe]

John Jones, of Ty'n y COed, Llanelltyd, buried May 17 1905 aged 70

Certified by Owen Lloyd Owen, Bontddu

No officiating vicar named

Basically these two entries mean they were non conformists, but buried in the local parish church by their own Minister. The "new" Act that allowed this being passed in 1880  - certified I think meaning that someone had to give notice to the vicar that this was going to happen

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Brother Hugh died in 1910 in a mining accident in Mardy (Rhondda) but was buried back in Llanelltyd

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3170967/3170972/30/%22hugh%20jones%22%20AND%20llanelltyd

His wife was called Jane - she appeared to have stayed in Llanelltyd in 1901 whilst Hugh went south to work and is still at Tai Cynhauaf in 1911

[DCB]

Following up on Mabel's finds, in 1871

Tabor, Garthgynfawr, Dolgelly, Merionethshire
John Jones Head - Male 37 b 1834 - Llanfachreth
Catherine Jones Wife - Female 35 b 1836 - Llangower
Hugh Jones Son - Male 7 b 1864 - Dolgelly
Jane Jones Daughter - Female 5 b 1866 - Dolgelly

David

[DCB]

More possibles

1861
Tynchaf Bloenan, Nannan (Nannau) Awch Afon, Dolgelly, Merionethshire
John Jones Visitor Unmarried Male 26 1835 Farmers son Llanfachreth, Merionethshire

1851
Cordmwsoglog, Dolgelly, Merionethshire
Hugh Jones Head Married Male 48 1803 Farmer (of 32 acres employing 1 laborer Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, Wales
Jane Jones Wife Married Female 45 1806 - Llanelltyd, Merionethshire
John Jones Son Unmarried Male 16 1835 - Llanfachreth, Merionethshire
Elizabeth Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1839 - Trawsfynydd, Merionethshire
Mary Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 10 1841 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire
Hugh Jones Son Unmarried Male 8 1843 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire
Edward Jones Son Unmarried Male 3 1848 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire
Ann Jones Daughter Unmarried Female 1 1850 - Dolgelly, Merionethshire

1841
Coedmofronlog, Dolgelly, Merionethshire
Hugh Jones Male 35 1806 Merionethshire
Jane Jones Female 35 1806 Merionethshire
Eleanor Jones Female 13 1828 Merionethshire
Ann Jones Female 11 1830 Merionethshire
Jane Jones Female 8 1833 Merionethshire
John Jones Male 6 1835 Merionethshire
Robert Jones Male 4 1837 Merionethshire
Elizabeth Jones Female 2 1839 Merionethshire
Mary Jones Female 0 1841 Merionethshire

John Jones, son of Hugh and Jane, baptised Llanfachreth, on 10th August 1834
Hugh a farmer of Ty Hir

David