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Re: Irish Police Force, New Inn, Tipperary 1834
« Reply #18 on: Monday 15 January 24 17:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi, thanks for your reply, I think the building is of Georgian origin perhaps turn of the 18th and 19th century, a short quote from Wikipedia Unlike police elsewhere in the United Kingdom, RIC constables were routinely armed (including with carbines) and billeted in barracks, and the force had a militaristic structure.
There were rules about who could serve in a specific region and who was allowed and when a member of the police force could marry, Constables were routinely moved around the county to avoid forming relationships with locals, so a barracks would serve as living quarters for the force.

All RIC stations were known as barracks - because the men lived in them.
But far from all were actually built as barracks per se. Most were ordinary existing buildings simply rented to the RIC for their use. Can see that from Griffith's Valuation, where the owners and rents are listed.

My other point was that the RIC was disbanded in 1922, so impossible that this building was in use by them until 1926. Puts other dates in doubt.
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Re: Irish Police Force, New Inn, Tipperary 1834
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 16 January 24 10:08 GMT (UK) »
I think the newly formed Garda Síochána took most of the barracks over after 1922 until the service was rationalised. Probably the reason it went out of use in 1926.
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Re: Irish Police Force, New Inn, Tipperary 1834
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 16 January 24 16:04 GMT (UK) »
I think the newly formed Garda Síochána took most of the barracks over after 1922 until the service was rationalised. Probably the reason it went out of use in 1926.

What the "Buildings of Ireland" site says is that this building "served the Royal Irish Constabulary until 1926, after which time it was used by the Garda Síochána." That is not possible. It may have been vacant or unused from 1922-1926, but it certainly did not serve the RIC until 1926, as there was no RIC from 1922.
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Re: Irish Police Force, New Inn, Tipperary 1834
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 16 January 24 16:07 GMT (UK) »
looks like the Buildings of Ireland have got the facts mixed up, as we know the RIC was disbanded in 1922
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Brownbill - Liverpool, Prescot
Burberry - Dorking
Bonnyman - Elgin/Buckie/St Albans


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Re: Irish Police Force, New Inn, Tipperary 1834
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 16 January 24 17:24 GMT (UK) »
looks like the Buildings of Ireland have got the facts mixed up, as we know the RIC was disbanded in 1922

Precisely.
And if they can get a well known fact like that wrong, then it calls into question their other assertions.
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Re: Irish Police Force, New Inn, Tipperary 1834
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 27 January 24 00:53 GMT (UK) »
True there are no records in the files but the newspaper reports mention him so presumably he existed but perhaps the files don’t.

From working a lot with the RIC records, it seems that for the older years they are not complete. For the early years, they seem to have only included men who were receiving a pension in the 1850s and later.

From newspapers, the Morton in New Inn had the initial 'E'. He is described as a Pol. Con. (police constable) in the Clonmel Herald of Saturday 04 April 1835.
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Re: Irish Police Force, New Inn, Tipperary 1834
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 27 January 24 07:50 GMT (UK) »
True there are no records in the files but the newspaper reports mention him so presumably he existed but perhaps the files don’t.

From working a lot with the RIC records, it seems that for the older years they are not complete. For the early years, they seem to have only included men who were receiving a pension in the 1850s and later.

From newspapers, the Morton in New Inn had the initial 'E'. He is described as a Pol. Con. (police constable) in the Clonmel Herald of Saturday 04 April 1835.
thanks for the information. I am planning a trip to the uk national archives in July which might provide further insight if there are records there. Any snippets are very well received.
Morton - Tipperary, Longford/Clonmel Ireland
Gallatley - Ireland,
Brownbill - Liverpool, Prescot
Burberry - Dorking
Bonnyman - Elgin/Buckie/St Albans