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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 01 January 24 23:04 GMT (UK) »
I tend to agree with this theory.
b/ Jane McGaw born abt 1813. Still having children in 1869??! Seems unlikely.

I agree - and add, there can surely be little to no doubt, that  Jane/t and John in the Census living near, on same street, or with William & his family  - are the parents referred to in William's 1891 Marriage. ie: making Jane/t far to old to be William's biological mother.  They very possibly raised him and he saw them in a parental light - that happened a lot (still does actually, I have a cousin today with that exact scenario: grandparents raised her, she considers them 100% as her parents, and her aunts and uncles as her siblings)

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AMBLY
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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 00:17 GMT (UK) »
On William’s second marriage in 1907, David Moore is a witness.
I think this will be David, born 1879, the son of Eliza Fullerton and Adam Moore, and potentially a half-brother to William Fullerton.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 00:24 GMT (UK) »
William’s age on marriages and at least four census records suggest a birth year around 1865-66, and not 1869 as per your opening post.

1881 census – age 15 (born 1866)
1 Jan 1891 marriage – age 25 (born 1865)
1891 census – age 25 (born 1866)

1907 marriage – age 40 (1867)
1911 census – age 46 (born 1865)
1921 census - age 56 (born 1865)
1928 death – age 62 (born 1866)


With the information we have now, I think you have to discard (as incorrect) the William born 1869  Antrim to parents John Fullerton and Eliza Craig.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 03:33 GMT (UK) »
I have been looking for birth registrations for William Fullerton around 1865-66. I have not found any, but there is this possibility …

A birth registered in 1865 Galgorm / Balymeena (Antrim) for a William John ALLEN
     – mother is Eliza Mary FULLERTON
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03565/2313180.pdf

(There is a corresponding baptism in Galgorm for this birth. Cannot yet find anything more than a transcription for the baptism.)

This birth interested me for a number of reasons:-
•   Both the first two names of child William John (as on 1881 census) and mother’s names Eliza Mary FULLERTON are an exact match.
•   Also I can see no further children born to these same parents, and no marriage for them.
•   Also there is a marriage for who I believe is the same William John ALLAN in Ballymena in Nov 1866 to Matilda Foster.
•   Birth place for this William John born 1865 is “Connor”. This is the same place that we have as birth place for Jane McGaw and for her son James Fullerton (see 1901 Mearns census)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)


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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 04:29 GMT (UK) »
oooh! Neale1961  ;D how exciting! I think you may have cracked it!   I  was unable to find any Birth registration under Fullerton at https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie - but I was in the same place,  concentrating on Ballymena DO  due to the PoB Connor:

I was looking at Griffiths Valuation - 1862
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01swd/
Tullynamullan, Connor, Ballymena, Antrim
Occupier:  John Fullerton, House & small Garden
Immediate Lessor: Jane Agnew

a) https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/connor/kells/tullynamullan/
b) https://www.rootschat.com/links/01swc/

On the historical map, Tullynamullan is thru where the two red rectangles intersect on the right - comparing the border shape in link a) to that in link b)

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AMBLY
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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 04:45 GMT (UK) »
I had also earlier found this - interesting, considering William's daughter of his 2nd marriage was same name - and now more so intereasting , given the Tullynamullan place of Birth for William John Allen

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1867/11508/8232280.pdf

Letitia Fullerton, spinster full age, of Tullinamullan. Father: John Fullerton, Weaver
married on 11 Dec 1867 Ballymena
James McKee, Bachelor, full age, Soldier, of Tullinamullan. Father: John McKee Weaver
Witness: William Carlisle. Anna Fullerton.

Possible daughter of John & Jane - aunt of William?

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AMBLY
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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 06:13 GMT (UK) »
AMBLY, Good information from Griffiths Valuation 1862 – Isn’t it great when it all starts to fit together!

I also looked at the 1867 marriage of Letitia, because I reckoned it might be a family name, but had not made any connection.
Now you have the information re John Fullerton at “Tullynamullan”, it makes a link more likely. The witness Anna Fullerton possibly another in the family.

There are certainly lots of Fullerton families in the Ballymena area.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 06:24 GMT (UK) »
Death certs available on ScotlandsPeople They certainly lived long lives!

FULLERTON   JOHN   age 81   Mother:- MCMILLAN      
1902   493 / 2   BONHILL


FULLERTON   JANET   age 90   Mother:- WHITE   
1903   493 / 105   BONHILL


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This might be the death of the other son who is aged 41 and unmarried in the 1901 census.

FULLERTON   JAMES   age 58         
1919   493 / 149   BONHILL

I would expect James to be the informant for his parents' deaths.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: Who was the mother of William Fullerton?
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 02 January 24 09:12 GMT (UK) »
Well done Neale and Ambly looks like you have solved the mystery  :)

Rosie