cold trail - Peter John Flohr/Flower, born c. 1923

[tcw25]

Further to my earlier post about my great-grandad Arthur A. E. Flohr (a.k.a. Richard A. Flower as of 1930, following his Australian conviction), our understanding is that he had a son, Peter John Flohr (or Flower) in the early 1920s in New Zealand or Australia.  But the trail for Peter, who would have been my half-granduncle, goes completely cold beyond his Australian WW2 service record -- which gives his birthdate as February 1923 in Sydney, although I have turned up no such record there, in Victoria or even in NZ. 

Does anyone have any suggestions?  In particular, is there any way around the 100-year embargo on birth records or the 30-odd year embargo on death records?

Given how cold the trail goes, I wonder if Peter changed his name sometime after WW2 -- how would I access such a record, which would fall outside the usual categories of birth, marriage, death?

NOTE: this post relates to my post about Peter's father, Arthur Flohr: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879190.0

[Dundee]

Mary was in her early 40s by 1923 and had been with Arthur for many years.  My guess is that Peter was not a biological son.  Do you have DNA matches to either Arthur or Mary's families?

Debra 

[tcw25]

That could be.  Or Arthur could have cheated on Mary as he seems to have done to his first wife.  Biological son or not, Peter didn't leave much of a trail.

No DNA matches to other descendants of Arthur; they would be fairly close. 

[sparrett]

It is interesting to note that although both parents, Mary Olive and Richard Arthur show living together on the Victorian electoral roll at the time of his enlistment (and after), he chooses to list his mother as his NOK.

A little unusual, but not unheard of I suppose.

A little snip of advice tcw25.
Best not to start new threads on different aspects of one query.
It makes things confusing and runs the risk of doubling up on search time and information.

Sue

[tcw25]

Thanks, Sue.  I'd be happy to have this thread deleted; I can't seem to do so myself.

He would have listed Mary rather than Arthur/Richard as his NOK because Arthur/Richard shaved 10 years off his age and enlisted alongside his son in WW2.

[sparrett]

Hi,
It is not possible to delete a thread once posted.
However, a moderator can do a merge of your 2 threads if that is what you would like.
You can request this by using the  -report to moderator-  button on the bottom right hand side of your posts.

In  the  meantime you could add the link to your other thread which is entitled
1926 conviction - trial info?

Simply open the that thread and use the modify button which you see on the original first message
 
Paste this in-

This post relates to my other on the subject.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879190.0

[maddys52]

A long shot - there is a death in NSW for a Percival Peter FLOWERS in 1976. His probate package says he was also known as John Peter FLOWERS. Died 21 May 1976. The NSW death index has his reference number - 999999/1976 X 0. I've never seen a number like this? No parents' names on the index - father "died in NZ", mother "FLOWERS".

Modified:
Wrong person, Percival was aged 26 when he died in 1976. Buried at Rookwood.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150889437/percival-peter-flowers

[mckha489]

A long shot - there is a death in NSW for a Percival Peter FLOWERS in 1976. His probate package says he was also known as John Peter FLOWERS. Died 21 May 1976. The NSW death index has his reference number - 999999/1976 X 0. I've never seen a number like this? No parents' names on the index - father "died in NZ", mother "FLOWERS".

Sadly, Too young

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01swm/

[maddys52]

  Was just modifying my post.