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Offline Genie24

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Strathaven Brick Wall
« on: Friday 05 January 24 19:54 GMT (UK) »
I am hoping someone can help with this brick wall. My mother has a DNA match with a lady in the US. The Ancestry Thrulines suggested that she descends from our main Hamilton line  from John Hamilton born 1700 Blackwood Yard, Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire but that is incorrect.  He is DNA verified. However, they must connect via the Hamiltons for there to be a match but there appears to be no relevant documentary evidence for this branch.

The match is via Agnes Hamilton apparently born 15th May 1843 in Strathaven. Agnes married Alexander McCanch in 1865 in Avondale, Lanarkshire. In about 1870, they went to Pennsylvania. The daughter of my mother's match has struggled with this family but a recent visit to Scotland and archives suggests the name is McAinsh. We are making some progress with this.

I cannot find a birth for Agnes Hamilton or most  of her siblings. Margaret about 1839, James about 1843, Thomas about 1846, George about 1850. Then the last few appear with Janet 1855, William 1860, Janet 1862 and Margaret 1864. Their parents were James Hamilton, a master Slater  and Margaret Hendrie. According to Janet's birth record, they married in April 1838 in Strathaven and on Mary's birth record 18th May 1837. Again, I can find no marriage record. Does anyone know if there are large chunks of the Strathaven registers missing or is there anywhere other than Scotland's People I can search?

Margaret Hendrie died in 1878 and James married his 2nd wife Janet Taylor. I have their marriage record. it states that James's parents are Thomas Hamilton Master Baker and Agnes Browning. His death record in 1890 gives the same information. Again, I am coming up against a brick wall with this Thomas and Agnes. I can't find a marriage for Thomas and Agnes or a birth for James or any other children. According to the census records James was born about 1815/1816 but his age at marriage suggests 1822. I did find a birth in 1808 with father James and mother Agnes but I think this is another family completely and this Agnes had surname McKenzie.

I feel the difficulty I am experiencing is due to missing records. Any advice would be very much appreciated.
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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 January 24 22:23 GMT (UK) »
I have searched the Strathaven records a great deal in the past, and not found any gaps as you suggest, (that's not to say there may be some of course).
Familysearch.org have the film, but it is only viewable at an LDS library, or affiliate library, and not from home.
There is a search facility on the film, and about 18 baptisms for Hamilton children between 1840 and 1855 come up, so those years would seem to be on the film. Not with your father James.

There is a baptism on familysearch.org for a James Hamilton 29 July 1812 at Strathaven. Father Thomas. No mother's name given in the transcript. No image.
From 'Scotland births and Baptisms film 1564 - 1950'.
This record again doesn't seem to appear on Scotlandspeople.
Several trees on familysearch, (they may be copied from each other of course), give your Thomas, the father of James, born 'about 1813' - some years earlier than you have written as 1822.
Although if James and Margaret Hendrie were married in 1838 as you say, (no record found), then he would only have been 16 years old if he was born in 1822. Not impossible, but somewhat unlikely.
6 other children between 1808 and 1822 at Strathaven with father Thomas Hamilton, no mother's name given on any of them from familysearch.

It's odd that there are specific dates  both for Agnes Hamilton's birth, 15th May 1843, and James and Margaret Hendrie's marriage, 18th May 1837, (or April 1838, which makes this more unsure).
Have you actually searched through the Strathaven register?
You would need to visit an LDS library, or affiliate library - I know my city library is classed as an affiliate library, so you may be able to find one near you if there is no LDS library nearby.

Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 January 24 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Is this James - it's the right district, although Strathaven itself isn;t mentioned?

James Hamilton
Birth Date    10 Jan 1808
Birth Place    , Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Baptism Place    , Avondale, Lanark, Scotland
Father    Thomas Hamilton
Mother    Agnes

Possible siblings  - all Avondale, parents Thomas and Agnes

Agnes Hamilton
Birth  24 Mar 1809
   
Margaret Hamilton
Birth  23 Oct 1810

Susana Belsford Hamilton
Birth 21 Sep 1812
   
Janet Lawcock Hamilton
Birth  25 Jun 1814

Jean Lawcock Hamilton
Birth 27 Feb 1816

John Hamilton
Birth 11 Jan

Isobel Hamilton
Birth   29 Dec 1819

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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 January 24 23:18 GMT (UK) »
Which site are these on Mabel?

'Avondale' are the registers for as Strathaven as you go further back.

There are hundreds of Hamilton families in this area!
Much of the land was owned by the Dukes of Hamilton
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs


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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 January 24 23:20 GMT (UK) »
Mother of those baptisms (found by Mabel) appears to be Agnes McKenzie.
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 January 24 02:26 GMT (UK) »
Catholic baptisms:

HAMILTON, JAMES
JAMES HAMILTON / MARGARET HENDRY
Male
14/10/1846
Hamilton, St Mary's

HAMILTON, JANE
JAMES HAMILTON / MARGARET HENRY
Female
1855
21/12/1855
Hamilton, St Mary's

The earliest indexed marriage in that church is 1845.  It was built in 1846.

Debra  ;D


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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 January 24 02:56 GMT (UK) »

There is a baptism on familysearch.org for a James Hamilton 29 July 1812 at Strathaven. Father Thomas. No mother's name given in the transcript. No image.
From 'Scotland births and Baptisms film 1564 - 1950'.
This record again doesn't seem to appear on Scotlandspeople.


HAMILTON, JAMES
Father: THOMAS HAMILTON
Born: 29/JULY/1812
Baptised: 2/AUGUST/1812
STRATHAVEN ASSOCIATE

James was aged 25 in 1841, 36 in 1851, and 45 in 1861.

Debra  :)

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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 January 24 03:41 GMT (UK) »
Is this from Scotlandspepople Debra,or just a repeat of the information I found on familysearch?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Strathaven Brick Wall
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 January 24 04:01 GMT (UK) »
ScotlandsPeople, you need to look at 'Other churches' and 'Roman Catholic Church'.

Debra  :)