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Re: Town Cloth?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 January 24 13:56 GMT (UK) »
Just as a “by the by by “as you have a good answer, broadcloth is broader than what went before.
A hand loom weaver,the loom in his home - could not manage to hand throw a shuttle very far ,about 44”- a bigger loom needed something to assist the weaver but such sized looms were too big for home weaving .

Kay invented The Flying Shuttle but weaving was leaving homes and going into factories where 54” looms were the norm .
I think this coincided with the demand for material for army uniforms in The Peninsular Wars .Less wastage with the broader cloth.
That material was very high quality something like facecloth velour , densely  woven and with a low nap so no pilling.
It was “ fulled” ie beaten by wooden hammers in water and so felted .
Really beautiful quality.All water powered.
A local mill ,now a sometimes working museum at Helmshore . Lancashire  has open days and that process is there to see.
Another process is “ tenting “ where material is stretched on tenterhooks and the nap raised by teasels , the spiky heads of a plant in the Thistle family .
Fascinating .
Amazing that the vast amount of cloth needed for uniforms in those days was produced by quite primitive means .
I am open to correction if anyone has more accurate info.
It is many years since I visited the museum.
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Re: Town Cloth?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 January 24 15:06 GMT (UK) »
I had checked the production of broadcloth and it was as you say. Its weave was so dense it could be cut without unravelling.

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Re: Town Cloth?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 06 January 24 20:34 GMT (UK) »
I forgot one essential element in the fulling process - Urine—— this was in the water I suppose but a substance called Fuller’ s earth was also used.
There were collection points in most mill towns and chamber pots or buckets of urine were emptied into collectable containers ,people got a few pennies .
Its commercial name was Lant .
Yes wonderful fabric like dense felt but definitely woven .
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John Kay was born in Ramsbottom in an area name Shuttleworth !
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Re: Town Cloth?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 January 24 08:24 GMT (UK) »
I forgot one essential element in the fulling process - Urine—— this was in the water I suppose but a substance called Fuller’ s earth was also used.
There were collection points in most mill towns and chamber pots or buckets of urine were emptied into collectable containers ,people got a few pennies .
Its commercial name was Lant .
Yes wonderful fabric like dense felt but definitely woven .
Viktoria.

John Kay was born in Ramsbottom in an area name Shuttleworth !
V.

Hi Viktoria,

thank you for the additional information.

Kind regards,

Brian


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Re: Town Cloth?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 January 24 09:46 GMT (UK) »
I had checked the production of broadcloth and it was as you say. Its weave was so dense it could be cut without unravelling.
Hanes - I'm surprised you missed the chance to mention that those Welsh places called Pandy must have been fulling mills ?   ;)
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 January 24 11:50 GMT (UK) »
I had checked the production of broadcloth and it was as you say. Its weave was so dense it could be cut without unravelling.
Hanes - I'm surprised you missed the chance to mention that those Welsh places called Pandy must have been fulling mills ?   ;)

You're spot on. Whenever I see "fullers/fulling" Pandy springs to mind. Also, Victoria's item mentioned "Flying shuttle" which always brings "swallow" to mind. In Welsh, the word "gwennol" amongst other things means "swallow" and "shuttle." Flying shuttle is strictly "gwennol fflei" though the fflei is almost always dropped.

An interesting post.
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Re: Town Cloth?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 January 24 12:08 GMT (UK) »
The charities include the Woolnough charity of £24 which is distributed every year in coal, the Town Cloth charity of about £4 which is distributed in cloth and Anne Cole’s charity of about £6 which is devoted to educational purposes.
https://forebears.io/england/essex/steeple-bumpstead

The original source for this is apparently Kelly's 1902 directory of Essex.


It would be interesting to know a little more about the Town Cloth charity. Has anyone found anything yet? (I haven’t   :-\ )
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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 January 24 12:51 GMT (UK) »
Spotted this in the Saffron Walden Weekly News, 31 Jan 1908

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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 January 24 13:50 GMT (UK) »
Haverhill Echo 27 Jun 1914 - mention of the the Woolnough Charity.