Anyone with access to Norfolk Parish registers BEFORE 1707.

[coombs]

A Sarah Roper is baptised in 1715 in Denham (Near Eye) in Suffolk to Henry and Mary, and had a sister Lydia born in 1709. Denham is not far from Hoxne as well.

I think Suffolk FHS has Hoxne baptisms 1650-1753 on CD which you can buy or download for £15. This includes the whole Hoxne deanery, not just Hoxne.

Seems John was from Norfolk, and likely the Diss area. Hoxne was a great place for weaving as well. Some of my Hoxne ancestors also may have come from Norfolk.

[Essnell]

Hello Everyone, 

So much great information on here and I must apolpgise for not answering for so long.  I thought that once the other post has been identified that would have been where it all got posted . There are posts from some of you on that one as well.
see Relpy #1 
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879266.msg7515470#msg7515470
However even so there is more on here to add to that post as well.  Thank you to everyone. 

I didn't know FamilySearch had a library   -   I will have a look at that .  The name Moniment was perhaps the most often way the name was spelt.  not withstanding Monument, even in the 1950's my OH got teased at school by his teachers alluding to Ornement. quite demeaning.    We shall check out the Doun website . 

lli1133, as on the other thread;    Then here: "Is he the John Monument (sic) of Diss, Norfolk, Taylor, with an apprentice 1741?    etc  " 
I am fairly sure that would have been him . He did have a business in Diss as aTailor.
As above Monument was often the way it was either used or translated.

Coombs; as lli133 posted .   thinking 1716 is too far away from our starting point but worth checking, as is the one from 1698. 

Now this post by lli1133  about "  a John Morniment. bapt  at Shipdam May 1709".  This could be who we are looking for!  more on this on the Suffolk post.
Re Apprenticeship for John Monument of Shipdham as a tailor.   and following that the birth details for John Moniment  in 1709.
I am sure that this is who we have been looking for. 

As for Sarah Roper , yes she was baptised in Denham  , just yesterday [20th Jan 2024] I found her bapt rec on Family
Search 20th January 1714  parents Henry and Mary.  At St John, Anglican Church.  Mary's last name is not yet known.  Sara also had a brother John Roper DoB 1706. Thanks Coombs

A relative of my OH had done the whole Roper family, Seems it was way easier than the Mornement line.  Even so some have married Sarah to her brother???      

  Let you know if this fellow from Shipdham is the right one.

Thankyou all so very, very much . Rootschatters are just so great at this hunting. 

Essnell 

[trish1120]

For ref FreeREG has 5 entries All Saints, Shipdham, in the right time frame for the surname and variants;

Marriages;

John MUNNYMENT/Mary THORPE ? 24 May 1708

John MUNNYMENT, Widower* to Ann MITCHEL, Widow  17 Feb 1712/3

Mary MANNIMENT/Francis SPRAGG 1 Jun 1732



Baptism;
John MONIMENT 1709 as posted earlier

Burial;
John MUNNIMENT 27 Feb 1729/30

Francis/Mary Spragg bapt quite a lot of children Shipdham 1732-1749
Possible Sister for John.

Trish    

[Essnell]

Hi Trish, 
Thank you for the record information. 

Any one might be or could be a relative  It's just soo perplexing. 

Every piece of information is useful .  Still have my bets on the 1709 Birth record.  we shall see.

Essnell.     

[coombs]

I found a marriage license issued 10 Sep 1735 for John Monumnet to Sarah Roper in Hoxne in 1735. John was a tailor, and he himself was a bondsman as was Isaac Page of Hoxne, a husbandman.

And as you mentioned, the John Monument apprenticeship in Shipdham in 1721, to Thomas Hughes, a tailor. So seems likely John born 1709 in Shipdham is the one who wed in Hoxne in 1735, but not certain yet.

[Essnell]

Yes  Coombs,  that is the fellow on that marriage record.  I was sent that a day ago by a relative but the image is sooo small I cannot read it.  I have also got the marriage from online search. but no document, just the transcription. 

Exactly the situation  . I am looking at that connection between the two very positively.  My relative is being ultra cautious which isn't helping.    Too wrapped up in 26 year old research.  Understandable .

I think that Thomas Hughes may provide a link .
Essnell.

[The Yokel]

If you have'nt got the Marriage bond Coombs found, log into FamilySearch, then use this link.

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01syc/

•   England, Norfolk Marriage Bonds, 1557-1915
•   Norfolk
•   Diocese of Norwich. Consistory Court
•   1735

Image 327 of 440

Yokel

[Essnell]

Thank you the Yokel.
 That was very helpful . I now have something I can read.


Did both men have to pay the Two Hundred Pounds, that was an awful lot of money. 

Why was this required....   ? I feel quite lost with this law stuff from back then 
I now have the document.
Thanks heaps   Essnell.

[Bookbox]

Did both men have to pay the Two Hundred Pounds, that was an awful lot of money. 
Why was this required....   ?

The sum of £200 was a penalty which would become payable only if the marriage was found to be unlawful for any reason (e.g. consanguinity, prior contract).

There's a good, straightforward explanation here ...
https://www.york.ac.uk/media/borthwick/documents/5marriagebonds.pdf