Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing

[joger]

Here is Maurice's father 's( Paul Mathieu Dollfus) death :
https://archives.paris.fr/arkotheque/visionneuse/visionneuse.php?arko=YTo2OntzOjQ6ImRhdGUiO3M6MTA6IjIwMjEtMDQtMjkiO3M6MTA6InR5cGVfZm9uZHMiO3M6MTE6ImFya29fc2VyaWVsIjtzOjQ6InJlZjEiO2k6NDtzOjQ6InJlZjIiO2k6MjYzMjA2O3M6MTY6InZpc2lvbm5ldXNlX2h0bWwiO2I6MTtzOjIxOiJ2aXNpb25uZXVzZV9odG1sX21vZGUiO3M6NDoicHJvZCI7fQ==#uielem_move=-1168%2C-439&uielem_islocked=0&uielem_zoom=133&uielem_brightness=0&uielem_contrast=0&uielem_isinverted=0&uielem_rotate=F

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[joger]

and here a death faire part for Paul Mathieu
https://www.geneanet.org/registres/view/181267/120?individu_filter=5954662

[MonicaL]

Jumping a little...

Did we discuss this possible birth for Elizabeth, sister to Julia?

Births 3rd Qrt 1890   
Elizabeth James       
St. Giles   
1b/ 625

Can't see this entry on the GRO unfortunately to try to confirm mother's maiden name.

Monica

[Rattus]

Can't see this entry on the GRO unfortunately to try to confirm mother's maiden name.

Indexed as male rather than female:

Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
JAMES, ELIZABETH        SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1890  S Quarter in ST GILES  Volume 01B  Page 625

[jaywit]

Looking back at the 1911 census where we first see Annie and her 3  children together she says she is 39 years old Julia is 22 Elizabeth is 20 and Maurice is 19.

I suspect she was a stranger to the truth at times but if those ages are correct she was having children quickly at a young age.

[jaywit]

Right 1891 census living at Middlesex Street Aldgate.

 Joseph Josephs age 30 Butcher b. Whitechapel
Annna    . .          .   24              b. Aldgate
Louis      . .           .    4               b. Canonbury
Julia        . .          .      3               b. Canonbury
Elizabeth   . .         .     1              b . Aldgate

So unless there are 2 families with children in the same order and names and dates of birth this has got to be the correct family

So at some point Joseph decamps to Liverpool taking Louis with him before 1901 and reinvents himself as an Antique Dealer.

In the same house in 1891 is John Joseph age 59 a Dealer with wife and adult children Joseph's father?

Gives a clue that Joseph would have been used to dealing with second hand goods ( antiques )

[jaywit]

I can find adverts. as early as 1903 in Liverpool newspapers J Joseph wants to buy secondhand furniture etc. etc. giving an address as 36 Brownlow Hill Liverpool so he was there by then.


Edit Joseph was still calling himself a butcher in 1901 so gives a time line to when he changed career.

[jaywit]

By 1915 L Joseph & Co are auctioneers, so Louis on his way.

[AlanBoyd]

The adverts in Liverpool papers for Louis Joseph, auctioneer and valuer, run from March 1914 to July 1915.

Added: and it isn’t that the relevant newspaper coverage at BNA stops then; I’ve made that mistake before!