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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 13 January 24 13:30 GMT (UK) »
Might be of interest to fill a gap:

20 March 1919

Travelled 1st class  London  to Marseille on board the P&O Nankin

Miss Julia James, Actress, aged 27
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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 13 January 24 13:43 GMT (UK) »
The earliest record I have for Annie James is 1899, when the Electoral register has her at 22 Torrington Square.

I've checked, and the occupant in the 1891 census is one John Sharp, Toilet Soap Manufacturer from Stoke on Trent (with 2 servants for a household of two)

He was the occupant until 1897, according to the Electoral Register.
BICE Middlesex
WOMACK Norfolk/Suffolk

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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 13 January 24 16:54 GMT (UK) »
Is there any reason why this couldn't be Julia's birth?

Births Mar 1890   (>99%)
JAMES    Julia        St. Giles    1b   613      -- GRO gives MMN as Stevens.

I can't see Elizabeth or Maurice in the St Giles district.
Neither can I see a James/Stevens marriage.

Regarding possible name changes, I have come across several Maurice/Morris who have been Jewish by birth.

ETA: Rats, this is probably a good reason why it's not likely to be Julia:
Deaths Mar 1890   (>99%)
James    Julia    0    St. Giles    1b   459





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Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 13 January 24 16:59 GMT (UK) »
I've put most of the findings of my research and this thread onto my public tree on Anc*str for those that have access.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/168274439/person/172547445328/facts
BICE Middlesex
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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 13 January 24 23:48 GMT (UK) »
Have been looking at a family for ages tonight feeling sure I am wrong but here we go..

I looked for a Julia and Annie and came up with the Joseph(s)family 1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3T7V-66Z

Looking at the children on this census, Julia and Louis birth as Cannonbury, Elizabeth Aldgate, I think MMN is Levy which could be the marriage of JJ to Hannah Levy Q1 1886 London City

Joseph occ butcher

JJ is still in Middlesex St. to 1892 (electoral reg.) and then JJ and Louis can be found in Liverpool 1901, occ butcher, married

RG13/3417/59/55

1911 JJ is an antiques dealer still with Louis and JJ still married

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWRT-YKX

Meanwhile in the electoral reg. an Annie Joseph(s) appears at 11 Bloomsbury Square from 1893 to 1897, can't find Annie Joseph(s) 1901 and wondered if she became Annie James.

Have absolutely no idea about Maurice but finding an Elizabeth in the household 1891 got me searching!

Just noting also that it looks like JJ died back in Middlesex 1924 from the probate calendar ???












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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 14 January 24 00:11 GMT (UK) »
I’ve been looking at them too. Especially as Canonbury was mentioned in another census.

There is this in the papers February 16 1893

But it still leaves the puzzle of money..
(And in 1911 you can see she wrote she had had 4 children, but then overwrote very blackly with 3. So that would account for Louis …perhaps)

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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 14 January 24 01:07 GMT (UK) »
In 1911 she says Maurice was born in The City..

There is this birth

JOSEPH, MOSES       LEVY 
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in LONDON CITY  Volume 01C  Page 4

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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 14 January 24 04:54 GMT (UK) »
This might be a cause of some confusion - Editors note at end

(The Stage 20th Jan 1966)
Terry, Greenway, Hudson, Conway, Simmonds, Childs, Oram, Dee, Bennett, Smith, Sturge, Bolas, Gibbons

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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 14 January 24 06:03 GMT (UK) »
This is the 1964 obit - could this be giving a false year of birth and death for the Julia James that is being looked for

The Stage 16th July 1964
Terry, Greenway, Hudson, Conway, Simmonds, Childs, Oram, Dee, Bennett, Smith, Sturge, Bolas, Gibbons