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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 14 January 24 08:14 GMT (UK) »
Re the Josephs family - the names, including mmn of Levy, of course, would suggest Jewish heritage.

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« Reply #37 on: Sunday 14 January 24 21:09 GMT (UK) »
This is the 1964 obit - could this be giving a false year of birth and death for the Julia James that is being looked for

The Stage 16th July 1964

I'm getting confused, as the career described in the obit  is definitely that of the "famous" Julia, judging by all the newspaper items I saw


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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 14 January 24 21:17 GMT (UK) »
I think it’s that two people died. One in 1964 and one in 1966.
They thought the 1964 one was THE Julia James, but turned out it wasn’t, and the real JJ died in 1966 and they just repeated the same obit.
But we need the French experts to look in Paris perhaps, because surely as Mme Dullfos she might merit a mention.

(Did you slide over that first clipping to see the second column with the editors note?)

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« Reply #39 on: Sunday 14 January 24 21:22 GMT (UK) »
Yes, but i'd read it as saying the 1964 obit set out the career details of the the less famous Julia as an obit for the famous one, not vice versa!



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Re: Researching a beautiful london Actress... and failing
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 14 January 24 21:23 GMT (UK) »
The 1964 obit gives her age as 74. This would make the dates 1890 and 1964. The 1966 obit does not give an age. Was Nadia Eley 74, but Julia James was not? And if not what year should her birth be?
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« Reply #41 on: Sunday 14 January 24 21:31 GMT (UK) »
I see nothing in the confusing obituaries to make me doubt the clear evidence of the 1901 and 1911 censuses - whilst a London actress might be able to create "stories for the press" about things, I don't think a 10 year old schoolgirl has the same motives or opportunities.
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« Reply #42 on: Monday 15 January 24 09:06 GMT (UK) »
https://www.caronia2.info/plf490519.php

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« Reply #43 on: Monday 15 January 24 11:01 GMT (UK) »
I can't find her death in Paris proper. Her son died in 1968 in Suresnes but his death was transcribed into 16e records.  Possibly she, like him, died in one of the surrounding suburbs of greater Paris.

(source: https://archives.paris.fr/)

It looks like her son Paul (1929-2019) was Ben Paul Mathieu Dollfus (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:CLY5-VFN2 ), born Neuilly-sur-Seine, although he went by Paul Dollfus.
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« Reply #44 on: Monday 15 January 24 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Looking at Paris cemeteries:

https://archives.paris.fr/r/216/cimetieres/

Lucie Dollfus nee Bloc, Maurice's mother, was buried at Passy Cemetery in 1919 and moved to Montparnasse (previous Le Cimetière du Sud) in 1920.
In what appears to be the same plot in Montparnasse were buried son Patrick and husband Maurice in 1968 and 1972 - Maurice's record states that he died in New York.

No Julia though which is unfortunate as I hoped her death record might confirm her birthday (even if the year is off) and would be interesting to see how her parents' names are given.

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