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Thomas Edmonds
« on: Saturday 13 January 24 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone comment on the accuracy of the events I list below, it all seems very disjointed and protracted? Am I missing something?
Thomas Edmonds married Lavinia Griffiths, 17th January, 1842, Edgbaston, Birmingham, described as shoe maker and father Thomas Edmonds . His wife, Lavinia, father was Jeremiah Griffiths, gun maker
I haven’t found them on the 1841 census?
1851 census: living in Wednesbury, Staffordshire aged 33 , coal miner and toll gate keeper(born 1818, Newtown, Wales) with his wife Lavinia aged 34 and their two children Lavinia b. 1844 and Thomas b.1846
1861 census: living in Bethnal Green, London, toll collector, his wife Lavinia b.1818 and children Lavinia b. 1844, Thomas b. 1846 and James b. 1852, ( the place of birth for all 3 children is given as Wembury, Suffolk ??? , I think however it should be Wednesbury, Staffordshire?)
I then have a possible death certificate in 1867 for Thomas Edmonds: 30 January 1867, Springfield, Rowley Regis, boot and shoe maker ( consistent with marriage certificate), informant; Elizabeth Edmonds ( but who is she?)
1871 census: Lavinia Edmonds living at Preston, Aldbourne, Hungerford, Wiltshire, aged 53 ,widow, Turnpike Gate Keeper
1881 census: Lavinia Edmonds aged 64 , living at Conybere Road, Llandaff, Cardiff, widow and annuitant
Lavinia Edmonds dies  27th November 1890, Union Workhouse, Warrington,aged 73, widow of Thomas Edmonds, Toll Bar Keeper , Powys Street, Warrington, informant is Matilda Edmonds, daughter in law, ( wife of Thomas Edmonds born 1846)
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Re: Thomas Edmonds
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 January 24 08:01 GMT (UK) »
Here is a rather lurid snapshot of the Edmonds' family life. This is from May 1861, so just around the time of the Bethnal Green census.

ADDED: address of ‘Barossa terrace’ matches 1861 census address.

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A "CRUEL DISPOSITION."
At the Worship street police court, on Saturday, Thomas Edmonds, a toll-collector at Cambridge-heath, Hackney, was charged before Mr Knox with three distinct and brutal assaults.

The first charge was preferred by prisoner’s wife, a delicate-looking woman, who was in state of great prostration and debility. She stated that she had been married to the prisoner for 20 years, and had had several children by him. Whenever be got intoxicated, which was not an event of unfreguent occurrence, he invariably displayed bis cruel disposition by ill-using her and his family, so that when they heard his footstep they all started up in alarm. On the night before last he returned home about 9 o’clock in a half tipsy state, and, pursuing his daughter upstairs into the room, he followed her inside, shut the door, locked it, and took out the key. When he had done that he struck the witness with his fist and levelled a kick at the lower part of her stomach, which she fortunately escaped, and screamed "Murder!” and tried to get away. As she could not open the door, her daughter brought her the poker to force it, but before she could do so the prisoner wrenched the poker from her and struck her repeated violent blows over the arms and shoulders. Her daughter and her son, a little boy of nine, got between her and her husband to save her, and he struck both, the former with violence. Their screams alarmed the landlord, who came up, forced his way in, and seized the prisoner, and while they were engaged in a violent struggle, she rushed out of the room for assistance.

The second complainant was tho prisoner’s daughter, Lavinia Edmonds, a girl of 17, whose bead was covered with surgical bandages. She said that as soon she saw the prisoner coming in she ran up stairs to get out of his way, but he quickly followed her, and, without uttering word, struck her with his fist and kicked her. She ran into the room screaming, and he pursued her, and acted as above described. He struck the witness with the knobend of the poker, inflicting a wound from which blood poured in great quantities. The shoulders and arms of her mother were black and blue all over.

The third and worst charge was preferred by Carey, of the K division, who stated that while on duty the Cambridge heath road be heard loud screams of Murder” and Police” from Barrosa terrace, and on getting there found the first complainant standing at the door in great terror. She asked him to run up stairs, or her children would bo killed. The disturbance alarmed the whole neighbourhood. He took another officer with him. On reaching an upper story of the house, he met the last witness coming down, with her head bleeding dreadfully. On getting further up he found the poker lying on the floor near the feet of the prisoner, who was engaged in a violent contest with the landlord. He swore he would not be taken, and dealt the witness a kick at the lower part of the stomach, which witness evaded by swinging himself round, and received it on the hip, which was now perfectly black. He made such desperate efforts to bite him in the stomach, that his thick uniform coat was bitten through, and a large piece torn out of it. It was only with the greatest difficulty they could get him down stairs.

The prisoner, who stood doggedly listening to the detail of his enormities, did not offer a word in defence.

Mr Knox said the case was certainly one of the most brutal and savage that had ever come before him, and the prisoner might think himself fortunate that had not to answer for two or three murders. Any punishment a police magistrate had it in his power to inflict he considered was wholly inadequate to meet such a series of outrages, and he, therefore, committed him for trial.


Published: Wednesday 29 May 1861 Newspaper: Brighton Guardian
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Re: Thomas Edmonds
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 January 24 08:07 GMT (UK) »
Later that same year...

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Lavinia Edmonds, of the Stanford Turnpike Gate, was charged on the information of the Rev. Edward Sheridan, Roman Catholic priest, Buckland, with obstructing and hindering him in passing through such turnpike gate, he being a passenger; and also for using very abusive language to him. She was fined 10s. and 12s. 6d. costs, for each offence. Mr. Sheridan was passing along the road towards Buckland, in his gig, on the 16th instant, at 11.30 p.m., when he found the gate shut, and could not make the collector hear. He waited some time, and then went back to the Faringdon Road station, and took a porter with him. They then awoke the defendant, who was very abusive to the complainant. Mr. Sheridan directed his moieties of the penalties to be applied in aid of the Faringdon Coal Fund.

Published: Saturday 26 October 1861 Newspaper: Reading Mercury
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Re: Thomas Edmonds
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 January 24 13:06 GMT (UK) »
There is a Thomas Edmonds listed in the Cheshire Directory of 1895 as a newsagent at 21 Powys St., Warrington.


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Re: Thomas Edmonds
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 January 24 16:38 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much Alan and Michael👍

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Re: Thomas Edmonds
« Reply #5 on: Monday 15 January 24 02:26 GMT (UK) »
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Lavinia, father was Jeremiah Griffiths, gun maker
I haven’t found them on the 1841 census?

1851, number 8 House, Legge Street, Birmingham, Piece 2057; Folio 574; Page 9.
Jeremiah Griffiths 59, gun lock filer, born Wednesbury; Jane Griffiths 55, Birmingham;

1841, Birmingham, Lavinia on Ancestry has been indexed as Lerania Griffitt 20, she's in the household of Jemima Brown 40. Piece 1146; Folio 49; Book 3; Page 13.

1841, Legge St, Birmingham, Piece 1143; Folio 49; Book 10; Page 20.
Jeremiah Griffiths 49, gun lock finisher; Jane 47; Betty 15; William 13. All born in county except Jeremiah.