Richard Florence Father

[MeirSoul]

All Saints Parish Register Dilhorne Staffordshire . 18
Marriage 20 May 1816
Richard Florence (Dilhorne) . Amelia Ward (Dilhorne)
Witnesses: John Whalley . John Newbury
Notes: Groom, Bride And Witness 2 All Sign X

1851 Census: Stoke on Trent
Richard Florence . 55 (1796) . Tinman . Tutbury, Staffordshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio 2006 / 271 . Page Number 10

Christening: Mary Florence . 21 May 1820
Newport, Shropshire
Parents: Richard and Emily Florence

Amelia, Emily and Ann could be the same person.

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It was created by GrewSharonLesley1 with a contact email address.
It gives parents George Florence and Ann Bailey with marriage 30 October 1780 in Leigh, Staffordshire. No baptism details for Richard, but it does list siblings and children.

In 1841, was Mary with the Rudge family in Halesowen, Shropshire and has a daughter Ellen Florence?
Stourbridge . Household Identifier 762890
HO107 . Piece/Folio 908/10 . Page 12 . Book 6

Ellen Rudge . mmn Florence 
Apr-Jun 1841 . Stourbridge Union . Volume 18 . Page 447

Did Mary go on to marry John Lockett?
Marriage: 09 Feb 1846 . Keele, Staffordshire
Mary Florence . Full . Knutton . John Lockett . Full . Knutton
Father: Richard Florence
Spouse's Father: Henry Lockett

Yes Mary Florence did marry John Lockett in 1846 at Keele. I don't think the Mary  in the 1851 census is the same person because Mary and John are both living together in Newcastle under Lyme (near keele) in the 51 census. Although in the 51 census has Mary's year of birth as 1825 instead of 1820.

[Talacharn]

The census was 1841 when she was 20 and had a daughter Ellen. Ellen was registered Rudge with mmn Florence, but they were not married. Five years later Mary married John Lockett. Name and age fit, with Ellen previously used in the Florence family. It seems to be the right person.

[MeirSoul]

The census was 1841 when she was 20 and had a daughter Ellen. Ellen was registered Rudge with mmn Florence, but they were not married. Five years later Mary married John Lockett. Name and age fit, with Ellen previously used in the Florence family. It seems to be the right person.

I can't seem to find that on the 1841 census, but I can see that a Mary Florence married Thomas Rudge in 1850 in Halesowen. I'll look again tomorrow with fresh eyes.

[Talacharn]

Listed as Florance on the 1841 Census
District Stourbridge . Household 762890 . Halesowen, Shropshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio 908/10 . Book 6 . Page 12

If Mary married Thomas Rudge in 1850, also named on the same census, it must be a different Mary Florence, which would explain the mmn.

[MeirSoul]

Listed as Florance on the 1841 Census
District Stourbridge . Household 762890 . Halesowen, Shropshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio 908/10 . Book 6 . Page 12

If Mary married Thomas Rudge in 1850, also named on the same census, it must be a different Mary Florence, which would explain the mmn.

I managed to find it in the end . I think that particular Mary Florence is the daughter of William and Lucy Florence.  They all seem to be linked though and of Romani extraction.  Still struggling to find the confirmed parents of Richard. I've seen a few trees that state George Florence and Ann Bailey as parents which does make sense but I've not seen any documents or proof to fully confirm it.

[Talacharn]

George and William are probably brothers and using the same naming system.
The baptism for Richard may not have been transcribed yet, or it may not be available. Have you tried the Staffordshire Family History Society to see if they transcribe records that have not been forwarded to the large search providers. His marriage names George as father, which for most seems sufficient. When going back so far, definitive proof is difficult to find, especially with travellers. Once all avenues have been checked, it might now be a waiting game.

[MeirSoul]

George and William are probably brothers and using the same naming system.
The baptism for Richard may not have been transcribed yet, or it may not be available. Have you tried the Staffordshire Family History Society to see if they transcribe records that have not been forwarded to the large search providers. His marriage names George as father, which for most seems sufficient. When going back so far, definitive proof is difficult to find, especially with travellers. Once all avenues have been checked, it might now be a waiting game.

I hadn't seen his father listed as George for his marriage I must hsbf missed it. I'll check it out . Thanks

[Talacharn]

I might have been wrong about the marriage, as having looked again I cannot find his father only the witnesses.