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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 18 January 24 07:56 GMT (UK) »

The 1838 baptism record you mention is most interesting as it gives George’s occupation as a tailor, which is the same as on that of  the son born in 1843.


Is this the baptism?

John Charles Heath
Baptism 21 Apr 1843 Holy Trinity, Guildford, Surrey
Father George Heath occ Tailor Mother Harriet

Did George’s wife Harriet die in 1853 age 31 and did he remarry?

10 Jan 1858 Saint Barnabas, South Lambeth: Guildford Road, Lambeth

George Heath Widower, occ Tailor
Father Charles, Clothier

Charlotte Keene
Father George, hairdresser

Thank you.  Yes. John Charles is the 1938 baptism.
When Harriet Heath died likely a little older than 31 as the 1851 census gives her age as 32.
Charlotte Keene was George Heath’s second wife.
I also have:
1868 baptism Nellie Louisa Robins Heath, mother Harriet Heath, spinster. Quarry Street. Guildford.
1871 census.  Quarry Street. George Heath, Charlotte Heath, Nelly Louisa Heath, 3. G.daughter.
1871 census. High Street, Guildford. James Heath, 72. hairdresser. Harriet Heath, 22, servant.
Harriet emigrated to New Zealand in 1873.
1881 census  Swan Lane. Nelly still with grandparents.
George died 1883.
1891 census Swan Lane. Charlotte Heath, widow.  Abigail Keene, mother.



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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 January 24 08:13 GMT (UK) »
1851 census shows Harriet's place of birth as Lewes? Sussex

Thanks you.. I have tried every variation of spelling and similar sounding names that I can think of without success.
Although if she was indeed the Harriet Ketcherner on the marriage record and that name morphed into Ketcher, I suppose her surname at birth could have been quite different again.

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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 18 January 24 08:59 GMT (UK) »
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Witness - W Dendy, Mary Ketcherner

The 2nd witness's name looks to me like Hutchins (or Hitchins), not Ketcherner
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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 18 January 24 09:23 GMT (UK) »
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Witness - W Dendy, Mary Ketcherner

The 2nd witness's name looks to me like Hutchins, not Ketcherner

If you compare that signature with the bride’s sig, you will see the similarities in the writing of the surname.
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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 18 January 24 10:20 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism in Lewes in July 1818 for a Harriott Kitchner, daughter of Samuel and Lucy.

Samuel Kitchener married Lucy Smart in Lewes in January of that year.
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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 18 January 24 10:25 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism in Lewes in July 1818 for a Harriott Kitchner, daughter of Samuel and Lucy.

Samuel Kitchener married Lucy Smart in Lewes in January of that year.

Bapt. occ labourer

1841c
Piece   1091
Book   9
Folio   24
Page number   12
Samuel Kitchener 45 Ag Lab
Lucy Kitchener 45
Lucy Kitchener 13
George Kitchener 7

Added

Lucy Kitchener
Baptism 15 Jul 1827 Wisborough Green, Sussex
Samuel Kitchener, labourer Mother   Lucy

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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 January 24 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Are there two Samuel & Lucy Kitchner/Kitchener/Ketcher  ??? one couple baptizing children in Lewes the other in Wisborough Green

Damon Kitchener
Baptism 3 Oct 1819   Lewes All Saints, Sussex
Father Samuel Kitchener occ labourer Mother   Lucy

Not found Damon on census record but surname appears to be Ketcher and he seems to have been in trouble a number of times here's one entry.....

Damon Ketcher, single age 30 Occupation Groom
Son of Sam'l Ketcher, labourer
Criminal Charge   Stealing
Sentence   7 Years
Criminal Admission 2 Aug 1849 Middlesex
Jail   Pentonville Prison

Damon Ketcher Criminal Age   30
Charge   Steals
Sentence   7 Years
Conviction Date   8 Jan 1849
Conviction Place   Guildford Boro Sesss
Admission Date   2 Aug 1849
Occupation   Groom

There is a Damon Ketcher who was transported to Tasmania but I've not checked these records to see if it's same person
added looks as if it is the same Damen Ketcher
Date of Trial   8 Jan 1849, Location of Trial Surrey Sentence Transportation
Vessel   Lady Kennaway Convicted Date   8 Jan 1849 Voyage Date   30 Jan 1851
Colony   Tasmania (Van Diemen's Land) Place of Conviction   Surrey
Here's a link to some info on DK https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/ketcher/damon/28224

Charles Kitchener Born   16 Dec
Baptism    12 Jan 1817 Wisborough Green, Sussex
Father   Samuel Kitchener occ Lab. Mother   Lucy

I think this is Charles on the 1851 census with his widowed father Samuel

Piece   1649 Folio   137 Page number   27
Hamlet of Loxwood
Samuel Kitchner 62 Wisboro Green, Sussex Widow, mole catcher Head
Charles Kitchener 34 Wisboro Green, Sussex    Ag.Lab. Son
Mary Kitchener    42 Brenchley, Kent   Daughter-in-law
Lucy Kitchner   22 Wisboro Green, Sussex   Granddaughter
George Kitchner   16 Wisboro Green, Sussex   Ag lab. Grandson

1861 Samuel 71 widow, Wisboro., ag lab. & Lucy 35 Wisboro
Lodgers with the Denyer's (no relationship given between Samuel & Lucy)

There's this marriage

Samuel Kitcheanar
Marriage 27 Sep 1814 Billingshurst, Sussex
Spouse   Lucy Field
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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 18 January 24 16:32 GMT (UK) »

There is a baptism in Lewes in July 1818 for a Harriott Kitchner, daughter of Samuel and Lucy.

Samuel Kitchener married Lucy Smart in Lewes in January of that year.


Just found this 1841 census entry
Piece   1080
Folio   31
Page number   15
Registration district   Guildford
Lucy Ketcher 55 poor widow
Demon Ketcher   20 labourer
William Smart 25
William Smart 8
Mary Smart 6

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possible death Lucy

KETCHER, LUCY       66 
GRO Reference: 1850  M Quarter in GUILDFORD UNION  Volume 04  Page 131
digital image is available from GRO cost £2.50

possible entry for Mary Smart 1851c

Mary Smart Age   15
Relation   Pauper
Where born   N
Civil parish   Stoke next Guildford
Guildford Union Workhouse
Piece   1594 Folio   471 Page number   10
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Re: Marriage - George Heath - Harriet Ketcher
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 18 January 24 21:02 GMT (UK) »
BURIAL Samuel Ketcher Age   64
Event Date   19 Sep 1838
Event Place   Stoke next Guildford, Surrey,
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)