Deth certificate

[Carbostar]

Is it possible to obtain a birth certificate if you have that person's death certificate?

[nanny jan]

What country does this relate to?

[CaroleW]

It’s not quite as simple as that & we really need more info to answer your question.

There were no birth certs pre 1.7.1837 so you need to tell us when they died & how old they were. 

If they died from 1969 onwards a full birthdate will be given on the death cert.

If they were born before 1939 and died before 1969 you can check their birthdate on the 1939 register

Would be simpler if you gave us full details

[KGarrad]

CaroleW's post is true of England & Wales.
Different rules apply in Scotland or Ireland.

I see that most of your posts apply to Scotland?

[Carbostar]

Sorry I wasn't more specific, I wasn't trying to be evasive,it was just a random thought,
But to elaborate I'm still trying to track down a great grandparent x3
I have quite a lot of information when he arrived in England, residency, marriage,  and of course  death and place of burial, and Im happy with this information, but I can find no information at all, as to his place of birth and that of parents.
A particular red herring, is on the marriage certificate, that of his father  Hugh ? and after lots of hunting, I can't find any evidence to support this claim that its his Father, maybe an uncle or even his Brother.

As you pointed out I stand little chance of finding the birth certificate of my 3x grandfather as the dob is 1835,

 Duncan McGregor 1835-1887 last known address Barony parish, (married  in 1854) Rebecca Dennis 1835-1898,  living in Southwick, Sunderland,  Co Durham .

[KGarrad]

What place of birth is mentioned on the censuses?
Where did the marriage take place?

Scottish records will be found on ScotlandsPeople.gov.uk

[Ladyhawk]

A particular red herring, is on the marriage certificate, that of his father  Hugh ? and after lots of hunting, I can't find any evidence to support this claim that its his Father, maybe an uncle or even his Brother.

 Duncan McGregor 1835-1887 last known address Barony parish, (married  in 1854) Rebecca Dennis 1835-1898,  living in Southwick, Sunderland,  Co Durham .

What occupation was given for his father Hugh?

[Ladyhawk]

Could this be a possibility for Hugh McGregor 


Hugh McGregor
Role   Accused
Crime Committed   Theft By Housebreaking, and Prison-Breaking
Trial Date   24 Apr 1839
Trial Location   Perthshire, Scotland
Court House   Perth
Verdict   Guilty: Guilty in Terms of Own Confession - Theft By Housebreaking
Sentence   Transportation - 7 Years
Notes   The Advocate Depute Passed From the Remaining Charges.
Related Trial Papers   Jc26/1839/27
Related Precognitions   Ad14/39/61

It looks as if this might be the same person  occ journeyman shoemaker

Hugh McGregor
Residence   Doune, Kilmadock, Perthshire
Role   Accused
Crime Committed   Theft By Housebreaking, and Prison-Breaking
Trial Date   1839
Trial Location   Scotland
Additional Information   journeyman shoemaker
Related Trial Papers   Ad14/39/61
Web: Scotland, High Court Criminal Indexes, 1790-1919

Does this occupation appear on Duncan’s m/c?

Added

Don’t know if this relates to above Hugh

Hugh Mcgregor
Vessel   Eden
Convicted Date   22 Apr 1840
Voyage Date   8 Jul 1840
Colony   New South Wales
Place of Conviction   Inverness, Inverness-shire, Scotland
Australian Convict Transportation Registers – Other Fleets & Ships, 1791-1868

Edited to add some further info on this Hugh who was transported on Vessel Eden

Hugh McGregor Age   35 occ Farm Labourer married 2 male children 1 female
Date of Conviction   22 Apr 1840
Place of Conviction   Inverness
Vessel   Eden
Port of Arrival   New South Wales
Date of Arrival   18 Nov 1840
Stealing Sheep  sentence 14 years
New South Wales, Australia, Convict Indents, 1788-1842

Hugh McGregor Age   44
Spouse   M(H)elen Connor
Request Status   Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal   14 Apr 1849
New South Wales, Australia, Registers of Convicts' Applications to Marry, 1826-1851

[Ladyhawk]

Cabostar - thank you for the PM and letting me know that Hugh's occupation was a shoemaker.

I've added it here to help anyone else whose looking.