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Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« on: Saturday 20 January 24 20:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I have a Scotlandspeople birth record image that I am finding very difficult to read. According to Scotlandspeople, the image records the following (the birth of Jonet Drysdaill):

JONET DRYSDAILL, ROBERT DRYSDAILL/EASTER EASTER SWORD FR79 (FR79),  F,      02/08/1610,     685/2,      10/74,  ST CUTHBERT'S

The biggest difficulty arises from the name of the mother "EASTER EASTER SWORD" this seems to be an obvious transcription error & any suggestions or help on this would be much appreciated. A part copy of the image which I think holds the relevant entry is copied below:


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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 21 January 24 00:34 GMT (UK) »
The date is:

Thursday ye 2 august 1610

The second baptism that day, starting on line 8, is:

R[ober]t Drysdaill fornicator w(i)t(h) easter sword A
D N Jonet w[itnesse]s willia[m] [       ] & Jon Drysdaill

I'm not entirely certain about the surname of the first witness. ADN is an abbreviation of "a daughter natural." The minutes of St  Cuthbert kirk session are available for the period, so doubtless there will be a mention of the fornicators there. Easter will be Esther and Sword is a surname found in Edinburgh at the time.

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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 21 January 24 01:40 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much GR2.

Your expertise in untangling unintelligible old Scots is second to none!

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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 January 24 10:55 GMT (UK) »
ADN is an abbreviation of "a daughter natural."

I thought it was more likely "a daughter named". All of the entries seem to have either ADN or ASN (for a son), and while I've struggled to make everything out, I didn't see 'fornicator' against any of the others.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Bingley, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 January 24 12:52 GMT (UK) »
I thought it was more likely "a daughter named". All of the entries seem to have either ADN or ASN (for a son), and while I've struggled to make everything out, I didn't see 'fornicator' against any of the others.

You are quite right. A daughter named.

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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 January 24 19:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi again and thank you for all your help,

I've managed to deduce that the first witness was called William Bartilmo (in the year previously a John Drysdale had married a Jonet Bartilmo (Bartholomew) in Canongate) hence probably the brother in law to John the second witness.

At GR2's suggestion I also checked out the "The minutes of St  Cuthbert kirk session" & I would like to raise a follow up query if I may:
In the minutes (very difficult writing) I found four possible mentions of Robert Drysdale the last two of which may contain the surname Sword, These entries are copied below & could you possibly advise what these brief entries say?

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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 January 24 20:32 GMT (UK) »
1.

The quhilk day compeirit Rt Drysdaill and confest
fornication wt ester sword wtout promeis of mariage
boiyt being pnt

The which day compeared Robert Drysdale and confessed
fornication with Esther Sword without promise of marriage
both being present.

2.

Ordans to ressave ester sword fornicatrix wt Rt
Drysdaill for ye first day

[The Session] ordains to receive Esther Sword fornicatrix with Robert
Drysdale for the first day.

3.

Ordans to ressave ester sword fornicatrix wt rot
Drysdaill for the last day

[The Session] ordains to receive Esther Sword fornicatrix with Robert
Drysdale for the last day.

4.

Ordans to ressave rot Drysdaill fornicator wt
ester sword for the last day

[The Session] ordains to receive Robert Drysdale fornicator with
Esther Sword for the last day.

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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 21 January 24 20:48 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the published Canongate burgess roll, the only Bartholemew is John Barthilmo, dyer, made burgess 21-7-1632.

Here are the Drysdale burgesses in the Canongate:

https://www.electricscotland.com/history/records/scottishrecordso55scotuoft.pdf

Here are the Bartholemew burgesses in Edinburgh:

https://archive.org/details/scottishrecordso46scotuoft/scottishrecordso46scotuoft/page/n57/mode/2up

And the Drysdale burgesses in Edinburgh:

https://archive.org/details/scottishrecordso46scotuoft/scottishrecordso46scotuoft/page/n169/mode/2up

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Re: Help needed deciphering 1610 Scottish birth record
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 21 January 24 21:58 GMT (UK) »
Fantastic! Thank you GR2 for all your help.

I haven't looked at the Burgess rolls but will do so shortly.

With regards to the first witness William Bartilmo, I had obtained the hint from the Scotlandspeople website, it seems like there were a few Bartilmos, including William in Edinburgh (St Cuthberts) around that time

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