Help identify regiments etc. for these soldiers please.

[Leon47]

Hi again folks.

OK I've been a few times to the library, using Ancestry UK and I've had some success but can't seem to locate the level of detail posted here.

Unfortunately I can't use the link supplied by AllanUK - it simply takes me to the subscribe page.

What I have managed to locate is my Grandfathers Boar War Attestation record, complete with image of completed form. There is also a separate record that gives information such as Discharge Date and Unit.

However, I cannot find anywhere the information I have highlighted in bold and italics below, from the post by Jebber. Can anyone tell me which section (under Military) in Ancestry.co.uk I should be looking to get that detail? Thanks for any help.

There is a John A TODD born Shankhill Belfast 1881 in the Imperial Yomenry in the Boer War.

He attested aged 20 yrs, can’t make out the months. 26th February 1901.

He served 1 yr and 94 days.

Mother Maria TODD 6 Glenfern St. Belfast.

He was 6ft weight 161lbs, complexion fresh,  eyes grey, hair light brown. 2 distinguishing marks L but it doesn’t say where.

A Cpl when discharged.

[Kiltaglassan]

Mother Maria TODD 6 Glenfern St. Belfast.

Glenfarne Street
Agnes Street to Crimea Street

6. Todd, Mrs.

https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/efgcomplete1901.htm

[Jebber]

It’s on Ancestry I have just checked. Did you click on the right hand arrow? That takes you the next page, the information I gave you is on page four.

Is mother wou necessarily be at the same address when he attested as when he was born, people move a lot as they  generally lived in rented accommodation.

[Leon47]

Ah I see. I've obviously missed something there. I thought there was just two pieces of information shown - an image and a page showing printed details. I really need to pay more attention to what's available on screen.

Thank you. Also thanks to Kiltaglassan for that clarification.

By the way, would a soldiers service number in the Boar war be the same one when they served in WW1 or would different service number be generated?

Thanks again for the help.

[Jebber]

 Not unless he served in the same unit. Every time a man moved to another Regiment of Corps he would have a new number, that is why you often see Medal cards  with several numbers for the same person. Numbers were not standardised until after WW1.

[Leon47]

Thank you.

[Leon47]

OK, I now have all four pages of the Attestation/service record. Thanks for all the help with that.

I'm now wondering about the medals, decorations awarded (please see attachment). I think this is correct (source, Wikipedia):

Queens SA means: The Queen's South Africa Medal which was awarded to all British led forces who served in South Africa from 11 October 1899 to the end of the war on 31 May 1902.

SA 1901-1902 means: A separate King's South Africa Medal which was instituted in 1902 by King Edward VII for those who had served in South Africa after 1 January 1902 and who had completed 18 months service in the conflict, not necessarily continuous, prior to the war's end on 1 June 1902. The King's Medal was always awarded in addition to the Queen's Medal, which continued to be awarded until the end of the war.

Is that correct? However, I can't find any reference to what CC might mean.

Thanks again for the extremely useful help here.

[Jebber]

C.C. Abbreviation  for Clasp for Cape Colony.

It was one of the four clasps my grandfather had.

It was awarded to all troops in Cape Colony at any time between 11 October 1899 and 31 May 1902, inclusive, who had not received a clasp for a specific action in the Cape Colony, or the “Natal” clasp.

[Leon47]

Excellent, so I've identified the other two entries correctly?

More questions - sorry. The Wikipedia entry also mentions a ribbon but doesn't explain it.

This all brings me back to the studio photo of (hopefully) my Grandfather. He is obviously a corporal and almost certainly in the Imperial Yeomanry, as searches have shown. However, he is wearing a ribbon but no medals and his uniform is exceptionally clean and new looking. And he looks fresh and young, unlike the chap in the middle of the second photo.

Now if the photo showed a private with no medals and no ribbon, I'd say it was taken shortly after Attestation. Or if it showed a corporal with medals and ribbon and uniform a lot less new looking, then I'd say it was taken near or at the end of his Yeomanry service.

Any thoughts? Many thanks for the help.