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Thomas Richards a notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Indicted for stealing watch,and pleaded not guilty, The prisoner got into the....

from Newspaper Shrewsbury Chronicle 14 August 1840  ...Shrewsbury Shropshire England

Snippet from find my past and Im not a subscription holder but searching for Thomas's birth place...so

is llanrhaiadr Muchnant his birth place  and really Llanrhaiadr yn Mochnant Denbighshire Wales...and what does notorious "fr" mean???

Appreciate any help solving this little mystery Please and Thankyou

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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:10 GMT (UK) »
Newspaper snippets can be quite garbled but "Muchnant" possibly merchant.
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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:18 GMT (UK) »
It reads "Thomas Richards, a notorious character from Llanrhaiader yn Mochnant, was indicted for stealing a watch, and pleaded not guilty."

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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:27 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou
Therefore fr means from   so would that mean residence at that time..or... maybe even place of birth????
Im really struggling to find a Thomas Richards born 1814 Llanrhaiadr yn Mochant father was Thomas Richards three brothers William John and Richard


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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:31 GMT (UK) »
See

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=879711.0

For more on Thomas.

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Add - also, Ladymerle1 (on the above thread) is likely to be of help.
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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:37 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Richards a notorious character from Llanrhaiader yn Mochnant.
Llanymynech and Oswestry are also mentioned so may give you an idea of the area.
He was found guilty and Sentenced to 7 years transportation
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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:40 GMT (UK) »
His trials and deportation, etc. are covered in the thread that I linked to in my previous post.
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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:47 GMT (UK) »
Well that's my guess proved wrong  :-X
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Re: Translation Please what does notorious fr l.lanrhaiadr Muchnant Wales mean Pleas
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 25 January 24 23:54 GMT (UK) »
The nearest that can be found for Thomas's baptism

 is Llancadwaladr, Denbighshire

7 Sept 1812  Thomas, son of Edward and Margaret, of Pantglas

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Llangadwaladr


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His  age varies on the criminal records - so could be 1812+/-

He married Elizabeth in Llansilin in 1834.
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