Missing KRAUTWIG Family

[heywood]

Poor Law records - as transcribed on one site

Leopold Krautriger 47 yrs , Commission Agent, Roman Catholic
Admission 26th November 1897
Admission Place   Westminster
Poor Law Union St Marylebone

Wife - Florence Krau… 28, Gosfield Street

Discharge 23rd January 1898 - c/o wife
Leopold ‘Frankwig’  (reads Krautwig)

[AlanBoyd]

Perhaps worth mentioning that even if you manage to find the family in 1911, it’s possible that with such a German-sounding name they opted to follow the example of the Royal Family and adopt a different name after WWW1 broke out.

[heywood]

Florence describes herself as a widow in 1901.

[~buttons~]

The civil record would give you her father’s name etc.

Who are the parents of Ada and Florence, the godchildren?

Just found a 2nd baptism for Florence.
Firstly: Harriett Frances Williams Bp 13 Sept 1857 C of E - St Peters Brighton,
Second: Florence Williams Bp: 15 May 1880 at the RC Church SOHO.
 - Her date of birth therein was 11 Aug 1857, dau of David & Mary Ann Williams

Her sister Eliza Mary Smith nee Williams, mother of the Smith children was Bp 19 Aug 1849 Brighton & secondly at RC Church SOHO (as prev mentioned) March 1874.
Eliza marr Tho's Smith Brighton 1866.

[~buttons~]

There is this person, transcribed as ‘Brantwey’ on one site but looks very favourable - ‘Krautwig’

1901 104 /31/9
28/29 Gosfield Street
Florence Brantwey 42   yrs widow Housekeeper Domestic b Brighton, Sussex
Florence -do- 15 yrs daughter Tailoress b Battersea S.W.

I wonder if this daughter is ‘Florence Beatrice Helen Smith’? Do you know what happened to the Smith girls?

That looks like a winner ..

Ahh "Brantwey"  Of course it is - I'd have guessed that one eventually 
Thanks ShaunJ for the snippet - does look like Krautwig doesn't it

Her age is close enough and Brighton birth also confirmed.
Very interested in "Widow" Status. Leaves a short time frame for Leopold's death - shall go and check the "Brantwey" surname for deaths!

I haven't found any further records for either Ada or Florence Smith.
They had a brother David Richard Smith Born: 27 Nov 1873, Bp: 23 Jan 1874 at SOHO Church. There isn't a birth registration in Dec Qtr 1873 for him either. Ada's birth reg seems missing as well which is rather strange.

 re Florence Beatrice Helen Smith (Born 5 Sep 1885) registered Dec 1885 Marylebone - haven't found her with her parents on any census. It is a possibility that Florence Krautwig adopted her as she was her Godmother.

Looks like it's a breakthrough - thanks a lot

[~buttons~]

Poor Law records - as transcribed on one site

Leopold Krautriger 47 yrs , Commission Agent, Roman Catholic
Admission 26th November 1897
Admission Place   Westminster
Poor Law Union St Marylebone

Wife - Florence Krau… 28, Gosfield Street

Discharge 23rd January 1898 - c/o wife
Leopold ‘Frankwig’  (reads Krautwig)

Gosh heywood you are impressive. Thank you so much for your help and expertise 

That certainly appears to be our Leopold - so if he's still alive Jan 1898 and Florence says she's a widow 1901, his death should be in those 2-3 years.
 - Haven't found it as K..... Leopold but obviously need to check all surnames.

[heywood]

You mention:
“Florence & Leopold Krautwig were godparents to Florence Beatrice Helen Smith when Bp in 1885.
 - Both the baptisms were at the SOHO church mentioned above.”

There is also this baptism - how does it compare with the date?
Marked ‘PB’ - Private Baptism
13th October 1886 St Marylebone, Westminster
Florence Beatrice Smith - parents Thomas Joseph Smith (brass finisher) and Eliza Mary
41 Stephen Street

Who were the godparents to David Richard Smith bp 1873?

[~buttons~]

I believe they are the same family even though one was RC and the other C of E.

For Florence Beatrice Helena SMITH Bp at SOHO has birth as 05 Sept 1885, Bp: 05 Aug 1886
Parents were Thomas & Elizabeth Smith. God Parents: Leopold & Florence Krautwig

The Private Baptism at St Marylebone for Florence Beatrice Smith was 13 Oct 1885 (not 1886).
Mother is Eliza Mary Smith (nee Williams), sister of Florence Krautwig (nee Williams)

Will admit to it all being rather odd.

Godmother (only) for David Richard Smith was Anna Bailey. Don't know who she is.
(Parents recorded as Thomas Joseph Smith & Eliza Mary nee Williams)

Haven't found him on census with parents either. I'm sure this family had an aversion to being recorded anywhere!!

[heywood]

Sorry, I realised re the year and meant to change it.
With a private baptism, it is possible that the child was sick at the time.

We know that Florence converted to Catholicism and it looks as though Eliza did too.

I know it doesn’t help with the Krautwig query, but you would think there would be other (earlier) children if Thomas and Eliza married in 1866.