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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 03 February 24 15:18 GMT (UK) »
Does not the local BMD indexes tell you whether the marrige was in a recognised church? If not a recognised church, it says Civil Marriage or Registrar attended. See https://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php.
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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 03 February 24 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Does not the local BMD indexes tell you whether the marrige was in a recognised church? If not a recognised church, it says Civil Marriage or Registrar attended. See https://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/marriagesearch.php.
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That is correct, as I said in my reply above, but unfortunately not all register offices have had their records indexed in this way. Check ukbmd.org.uk to see which counties have at least some indexes.
Spridgeon/Spridgen etc, Peterborough area; Lowing, London, Yorkshire and Hong Kong; Bull, Suffolk

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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 03 February 24 16:28 GMT (UK) »
The problem with this is that you may find a marriage that says Register Office or Registrar attended. Catholic marriages were Registrar attended. You wont find out more till you buy the cert.

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 03 February 24 16:42 GMT (UK) »
The problem with this is that you may find a marriage that says Register Office or Registrar attended. Catholic marriages were Registrar attended. You wont find out more till you buy the cert.

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Registrar attended also applies to any marriage not conducted under the auspices of Church of England.
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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 February 24 17:06 GMT (UK) »
Registrar attended also applies to any marriage not conducted under the auspices of Church of England.

Not quite true, once a Nonconformist Church is licensed a Registrar does not attend. It  will simply say married by Certificate rather than by Banns or Licence.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 February 24 17:07 GMT (UK) »
In 1837 C of E ministers automatically became empowered to conduct registrations of marriages, and return the details to the local registrar.  C of E churches had two registers, one of which belongs to the local registrar and is sent there when full.  The other is now deposited under C of E rules at a record office designated by the diocese, which is the copy we can access.

As far as I understand, the registrar had a separate register for each Non-Con church, which was taken there and brought back every time the "Registrar Attended".  There would also be a register used for Registry Office marriages.  The rules changed somewhere around 1900, to allow Non-Cons to register their own marriages if they wished, so after that they had two registers.

The marriage locator works on the principal that the local returns to the GRO were assembled in a regular order, C of E first, in alphabetical order of church, followed by Non-Con & RC in a set order, then Registry Office.  Therefore within one district, the page numbers at the GRO for each quarter were similar for each church, but not identical.  The first part can be "solved" from registers in record offices, but the pattern of the higher page numbers depends upon extracting information from registers we are not allowed to see.

You could say we have a lack of Freedom of Information due to religious discrimination which occurred between 1837-1900!

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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 03 February 24 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks, Jebber.  I was married in a Register Office, back in the day, but not by Licence!   
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #16 on: Monday 05 February 24 10:34 GMT (UK) »
  The rules changed somewhere around 1900, to allow Non-Cons to register their own marriages if they wished, so after that they had two registers.

It was the Marriage Act 1898 which made it possible, although not all non-conformist churches took up the option for a long time afterwards ( and some never have).

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Re: Registrar Office marriages post 1850
« Reply #17 on: Monday 05 February 24 14:06 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Anthony, I knew you would know the details!

There was an occasion when a methodist congregation had nearly folded, some records had been handed in to the circuit, and then they came to an agreement with the C of E to share its church.  They proposed to take the early 20th cent. marriage register back, but it was pointed out it belonged to premises registered for marriage, so could not be used elsewhere.