James / Jim Gee. Help please.

[wilcoxon]

I am looking at James Gee. In a Wrexham newspaper Supplement of 1907 he is the late Jim  Gee,  a Wrexham Character.
I only find him in 1871 Wrexham census.
James Gee 35 militia man b Wrexham
Wife Ann 38. Children William,  Mary,  Catherine and Margaret.
Catherine turns up in Salford in 1881, William in Bootle , but he comes back to Wales in Llangollen later.

1901 Wrexham possibly has Ann 64 a widow with daughter Mary.

No sign of James anywhere.  He is mentioned in Welsh Newspapers in 1870s and 1880s and is in Wrexham.
He is a Liberal supporter.

Can anyone help.

[amondg]

1881 census Wrexham 10 Barnfield

James Gees (note spelling) 47 general labourer born Wrexham
Ann 48    born Ireland
Mary 20   daughter born Wrexham - imbecile

[wilcoxon]

Thanks,  I just couldn't find them.

I'm struggling with birth registration for the children in order to find a marriage. I thought Gee would be easy 😃

[softly softly]

Does Williams marriage to Elizabeth Barlow name a father. I'm of the opinion the children on the 1871 census are not his.

SS

[softly softly]

Please do not laugh at this.

1861 census (on Ancestry as PHENN)

Piece   4288
Folio   89
Page number   39
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
James Phenn 25 Head
Ann Phenn   24   Wife
William Phenn 3 Son
Mary Phenn 1 Daughter
Harriet Carew 42 Boarder

1891 census as Fenn on Anc*

Piece   4619
Folio   74
Page number   25
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
Jas Fenn 58 Head
Ann Fenn   54   Wife
Mary Fenn 28 Daughter

Possible death of James

FINN, JAMES       aged 63 
GRO Reference: 1898  D Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 11B  Page 182

Cannot find this family in 1871

SS

[wilcoxon]

Does Williams marriage to Elizabeth Barlow name a father. I'm of the opinion the children on the 1871 census are not his.

SS

It was a Civil Marriage. I don't have the certificate

[osprey]

That's interesting!

Birth regs
William Finn dec qtr 1857 vol 11b pg 311 mmn Burke
Mary Phinn dec qtr 1859 Wrexham vol 11b pg 302 mmn Burk
James Phinn march qtr 1862 Wrexham vol 11b pg 347 mmn Burke
Catherine Phinn march qtr 1864 vol 11b pg 350 mnn Burke
Margaret Finn sept qtr 1870 vol 11b pg 332 mmn Burke

[wilcoxon]

Please do not laugh at this.

1861 census (on Ancestry as PHENN)

Piece   4288
Folio   89
Page number   39
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
James Phenn 25 Head
Ann Phenn   24   Wife
William Phenn 3 Son
Mary Phenn 1 Daughter
Harriet Carew 42 Boarder

1891 census as Fenn on Anc*

Piece   4619
Folio   74
Page number   25
Household Members (Name)   Age   Relationship
Jas Fenn 58 Head
Ann Fenn   54   Wife
Mary Fenn 28 Daughter

Possible death of James

FINN, JAMES       aged 63 
GRO Reference: 1898  D Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 11B  Page 182

Cannot find this family in 1871

SS

I'm not laughing,  thats great. I thought Finn was a  nickname. See An Irish Row.

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4583363/4583368/23/

[osprey]

1851 census,  Bridget born Newport

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG88-5Z8