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Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« on: Saturday 03 February 24 21:49 GMT (UK) »
My 2xgreat gran Gertrude Wallaker was born 14 July 1866 in Foulness, Essex to a Foulness born father and an Oxfordshire born mother. Her said parents John Wallaker, a waterman, and Sarah Brain had married in February 1866 in Lambeth, London, (county was technically Surrey but Lambeth was part of the London metropolis by then) and lived near St Mary Lambeth. They lived down Catherine Street which is where the groom's maternal aunty lived. They had their first set of banns read on 21 January 1866 at Lambeth church. Sarah would have been about 3 months pregnant at the time the first banns was read. To think if they had stayed in London a few more months, the Gertrude would have been born there but at least she was growing in her mum's tummy when she lived in London. It is unknown how John and Sarah met, whether he travelled as far as Oxford and met her there, or she was living in London when they met.

Another 2xgreat gran was born in Sussex in late December 1863, but her parents moved to London when she was a baby and she spent the rest of her life there. She wed a born and raised Londoner (born Marylebone) and my great gran was born Islington in 1889.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 February 24 23:45 GMT (UK) »
I've got a few cases of that sort of thing in my family tree.

It has caught me out before, on census records, because as adults they will sometimes say they were born in say, Hull, which is where they grew up, but actually they were born in Durham or something like that.
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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 04 February 24 10:02 GMT (UK) »
I have people claiming to have been born in the same place as their older siblings. Neither place was more prestigious than the other, so no special bragging rights. ;D
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 04 February 24 12:18 GMT (UK) »
I've got a few cases of that sort of thing in my family tree.

It has caught me out before, on census records, because as adults they will sometimes say they were born in say, Hull, which is where they grew up, but actually they were born in Durham or something like that.

My aforementioned great, great gran who lived in London from babyhood always thought she was born in Stoke Newington, London and the 1881 to 1921 censuses say so. But the 1871 census when she was living in Bow in East London told the truth, it gave Sussex, same as her mother, yet her younger sister born just a year later was said to be born London. My 2xgreat gran was baptised in London in November 1864 at West Hackney church and her sister was born in April 1865 in Stoke Newington. Their paternal grandparents were from Bermondsey anyway, and the mother was Sussex of course and of Sussex stock mainly with a bit of Norfolk further back due to a local Sussex landowner marrying a Norfolk girl in London in the 1600s.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain


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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 04 February 24 12:50 GMT (UK) »
My husband 2x great grandad was shown on the census as born Yorkshire Hull on the 1851 census. Strange in that the family had a daughter in Bethnal Green in 1848. Travelled north and had Samuel in last quarter of 1850, then travelled back to Bethnal Green by the date of the census. Big journey with 3 little one aged 5 and under. Father was a hearth rug maker and they stayed out in Bethnal Green for years. Very strange.

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Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 04 February 24 13:38 GMT (UK) »
Birth Certificates, where available, give a truer answer :D
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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 04 February 24 14:41 GMT (UK) »
We have Samuels birth cert as I did not believe what I was seeing. ;D
Liscoe -all
Green/Simpson/Underwood-Beds
Walker/Foulkes/Fookes/Fooks/Hedges/Lamborne-Bucks.
Stanton/Pattrick/Cooper/Fitzjohn/Holland/Spalding-London
 Rewallin/Underwood -Devon
 Casbolt-London/Cambridge
 Favell/Favel - Lincs-Beds

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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 04 February 24 18:20 GMT (UK) »
I got the birth cert of my 2xgreat gran, confirming she was born in Sussex. I guess as someone born 1863 did not need a copy of their birth cert, she may never have known she was not born in London. But as she grew up there from about 3 or 4 months old to her death aged 79, she was still a Londoner, just not born there. I have a workmate born in Leicester in 1944 due to the war but he grew up in London from babyhood so was still a Londoner.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Ancestors almost born somehwere else to where they were.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 February 24 23:02 GMT (UK) »
slightly o/t

Thomas Lawrence (Lawrence of Arabia) born 1888 in Wales

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Montague Lawrence  b. 1886 in Ireland

William Lawrence b.1890 in Scotland

Frank Lawrence b. 1893 in Jersey

Arnold Lawrence b. 1901 in England