Frances Moss born abt 1823 London

[Lucy2]

Just a further thought. Looking at the tombstone of Frances Hamilton I see it has the name of Moss on. Did members of the family do that, as do you think they knew about her previous marriage. See I misspelt Frances’s surname in my last message.  Thank you for the wills have had not had time to read.

Hi lin-james

Are you referring here to the photo of headstone for Frances HAMILTON which appears on the FindaGrave website ??

If that is the case, then just a word of caution.      The listings/ and photos on that site, are added  there by random (- awful word - because these people do a wonderful job in photographing cemeteries  ) persons, who are not even necessarily related but source information from public records, published family trees, etc. etc. to provide "extra" details to accompany their photos.
Helpful, but all details should be verified by checking actual records if available.

In the case of Frances, it would seem that the "name of MOSS" has quite probably, simply been sourced from the NZ Marriage Index ?
The text isn't actually visible in that photo but I do recall seeing the inscription (at another site) ... quite sure it didn't mention MOSS.    I'll dig it out and post a transcription of same for you.

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Avonside Cemetery - Christchurch, Canterbury NZ  :   My Transcription of Headstone text :

Row B  /  14 :

David Wilson HAMILTON, b, Ashford, Derby, ENG 9 Feb 1823 - d. New Brighton 25 May 1887 :
AND  his wife Martha, d. 5 Nov 1856 (35 yrs)  .. and their sons Handley d. 1855  aged 7 months and Handley [2] died 1856 at 5 months.
AND  his 2nd wife Elizabeth, died 1873 (55 years) ;
Frances, died 25 January 1899 aged 61 years :

   -----  source : NZSG Cemetery transcriptions  ----

[Lucy2]

  Thank you for the wills have had not had time to read.

Hi again

Yes, important to read through at least the Will of Frances HAMILTON  (it's a long haul, I know - I really only got to point of extracting a few names of people to whom she had made bequests.

There is as I said, a sister she has named as "Sarah MILNE" (and a brother for whom she has also left "instructions" to care for Sarah).   I did find this Sarah residing in Canterbury ... one brother also residing same place (he married in NZ but I can't as yet find his birth in ENG.) 
Will sort through what I have and add here as time permits.

*  Did you have a list of all of Frances' siblings ??   Would be helpful to me and save a lot of extra searching.   

   ~  Lu   

[sparrett]

Thank you for the information, definitely fits in with what I have long suspected. A distant relative of mine Louisa Jane Neale Udall married a Charles John Greenwood in Sydney on the 10/04/1877

This is not correct.

I think you mean this marriage in NSW.

343/1877 GREENFIELD John Charles
NEALL  Louise Jane
SYDNEY

  I have a marriage certificate for a John CHarles ( Charles given as Surname) but his father as Charles Grenhaugen Merchant. He states his age as 31 

Is this one (above) the English 1857 marriage to Frances? Is it another?

Who are GREEN FIELD's parents on the NSW certificate?

Please give all the information on both these certificates.

 Sue 

[sparrett]

Louisa's  death.-

GREENFIELD Louisa J.
5716/1899
Parents Samuel & Sarah A
GRANVILLE

In memoriam Louisa  Jane GREENFIELD 1900
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14315899

Louisa's sudden death
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14230136

Probate her husband   John Charles GREENFIELD
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/14227414

I think this is his  death. 63 years
GREENFIELD John C
6673/1914
63 YRS
At  WILLOUGHBY
ST LEONARDS

[sparrett]

This looks like the death of Mr V. GREENFIELD, who placed this funeral notice

A funeral notice for the deceased John Charles GREENWWOOD place by Mr and Mrs V GREENWOOD
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15504572


GREENFIELD Victor Ferdinand
29498/1946
Parents Charles & Louisa
NORTH SYDNEY


Louisa Jane. the wife was nee UDALL as you have hinted.
She married in England.

Marriage June 1/4 1872
NEAL Charles 
UDALL  Louisa 
Portsea 2b/657

There was a child, who died in infancy. Charles Edward NEAL
died Sept ¼ 1873 at Portsea.

The husband died aged 52 in sept ¼ 1874 Portsea.

I am not sure if these is the connections you are hoping to make.

Sue

[sparrett]

At the National Archives of Australia I have found the evidence to connect the man John GRANHANGEN, AKA  John CHARLES,  AKA John Charles GREENFIELD as the one identity.

A Naturalisation application which  John Charles GREENFIELD completed in 1904 gives his
Birth date- 1833
Birth place- Sweden
Arrival- 1864
Ship- Egmont

And other information.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/

Enter John Charles Greenfield in search box

Sue


 

[Lucy2]

Just a further thought. Looking at the tombstone of Frances Hamilton I see it has the name of Moss on. Did members of the family do that, as do you think they knew about her previous marriage. See I misspelt Frances’s surname in my last message.  Thank you for the wills have had not had time to read.

Hi lin-james

Are you referring here to the photo of headstone for Frances HAMILTON which appears on the FindaGrave website ??

If that is the case, then just a word of caution.      The listings/ and photos on that site, are added  there by random (- awful word - because these people do a wonderful job in photographing cemeteries  ) persons, who are not even necessarily related but source information from public records, published family trees, etc. etc. to provide "extra" details to accompany their photos.
Helpful, but all details should be verified by checking actual records if available.

In the case of Frances, it would seem that the "name of MOSS" has quite probably, been sourced from the NZ Marriage Index ? * ... a "family tree" listing or similar.
The text isn't actually visible in that photo but I do recall seeing the inscription (at another site) ... quite sure it didn't mention MOSS.    I'll dig it out and post a transcription of same for you.

   ~  Lu

*   Correction : ...   oops, sorry, my mistake - not sure what I was thinking when I put that.        Yes,  NOT the NZ Marriage Index (as only the surname CHARLES appeared.)

[sparrett]

Looking again at the passenger (crew) list for the CHARLES couple.

Lucy2 posted this in her reply#5.

Knowing now that the man's birthplace was Sweden, I can now see that is what is written in the above record.
Funny how you can read things when you already know what they say

Sue