Frances Moss born abt 1823 London

[Neale1961]

I see all the other children for Jacob and Sarah are all baptised very late - at the age of about 5 years or older.

Birth registration I think would have been more likely recorded closer to the birth, but I really don't know. 

I can't find the family in 1851 census, although some of the children seem to be working out as servants.

[Neale1961]

Rosina Moses married Oct 1849 to Francis Arnold Collen

In 1851 census Rosina (30 born Birmingham) and husband Francis ( 23 born Prussia) and baby Alexander are in Bethnal Green.
Her father Jacob Moses is with them – age 59 born Poland, jeweller
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5P-J5H

[Neale1961]

1861 census Tower Hamlets

Jacob Moses 64 fruiterer and jeweller
Charlotte Moses 60 wife, Ludlow, Shropshire
Mon Moses 25 Son
Frances Moses 23Daughter
Sarah Moses 20 Daughter
Charles Granhangen   26   Son-in-law



? Marriage 23 Oct 1827 Worcestershire
Jacob Moses and Charlotte Owen

[sparrett]

Letters waiting collection GPO Sydney 1875.

Grenhagen  J. C.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/223685369

Sue

[Neale1961]

Went to New Zealand and I think married again.  Would like to connect the dots as to went to New Zealand.

It is unclear what information is being sought. Some clarification would be helpful.
“ Connect the dots” …. What dots?

[sparrett]

1861 census Tower Hamlets

Jacob Moses 64 fruiterer and jeweller
Charlotte Moses 60 wife, Ludlow, Shropshire
Mon Moses 25 Son
Frances Moses 23Daughter
Sarah Moses 20 Daughter
Charles Granhangen   26   Son-in-law

Is it a bit odd that Frances is listed as surname MOSES?
If she was married to GRANHANGEN in 1857 and he is listed as son in law of Jacob , her surnames is GRANHANGEN.

I do note on this 1861 census, GRANHANGEN's occ  is ships steward.
what did a stewardess do on a ship in 1864?
Sue

[Lucy2]

Went to New Zealand and I think married again.  Would like to connect the dots as to went to New Zealand.

It is unclear what information is being sought. Some clarification would be helpful.
“ Connect the dots” …. What dots?

I agree ... yes, it would be helpful.   

I did add a belated note to one of my earlier posts here (Reply #   ) ... suggesting that this Frances HAMILTON who died in 1899, may not have had issue of either marriage (assuming she was also earlier, the wife of John CHARLES )          So would be interested to know where she fits in the "scheme of things".   

*  Do you mean "connect the dots ... as to when she arrived in NZ "  ?

Not always easy to find when "seafaring" people (ships crew) left a vessel and took up residence in NZ.
Our  "shipping / passenger lists" give information mainly for persons who arrived via the various immigration schemes set up by the NZ provincial governments of the day.   

   ~  Lu

[lin-james]

Thank you for the information, definitely fits in with what I have long suspected. A distant relative of mine Louisa Jane Neale Udall married a Charles John Greenwood in Sydney on the 10/04/1877 on which he states he is a Batchelor and does not give his age.  I have a marriage certificate for a John CHarles ( Charles given as Surname) but his father as Charles Grenhaugen Merchant. He states his age as 31 although in the 1861 census he is 26 and son in law. On his journey to Australia he says he is 25. A man of mystery, I  now feel sure that Frances Mott was the first wife of my Charles greenfield and she went onto marry David Hamilton.  Who left who? That was was why I wanted to work out when Frances went to New Zealand.  As Charles Greenwood states he is a miner did he go off to the gold fields?

Hope that answers your questions.  Any other information definitely welcomed.

[lin-james]

Just a further thought. Looking at the tombstone of Frances Hamilton I see it has the name of Moss on. Did members of the family do that, as do you think they knew about her previous marriage. See I misspelt Frances’s surname in my last message.  Thank you for the wills have had not had time to read.