William Charles SIBREE

[minniehaha]

Further to reply #2...

I think I read on Rootschat recently that divorce files usually include a copy of the marriage certificate?

If so, perhaps a look up could be requested:

https://collections.archives.govt.nz/en/web/arena/search#/entity/aims-archive/R26117085/sibree%2C-charles-v-sibree%2C-elizabeth-and-wilson%2C-henry?q=sibree&source=aims-archive

Minniehaha.

[Pheno]

Can't help with this family but I have this name in my Ancestry in London, England always recorded as Sibery - just thought this may be a variant to keep in mind - it sounds the same.

Pheno

[Lucy2]

The following article relates to Charles and Esther SIBREE >

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WEST18790311.2.7

*  There is a lot more to be had about the couple if you look through the newspaper articles which relate to the West Coast (South Island).   (Search on SIBREE ... the KENT name appears a few times also in connection with Charles SIBREE a carpenter.  He seems to have been in NZ (West Coast area) from around 1867. )  This Charles SIBREE was also known as "Yankee Charlie (Charley) " :

You can search the newspapers here  > >     https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers

In the search bar (left-hand side)  >  click on "All titles, all regions"  to take you to West Coast newspapers (where you can filter these from other titles.)

Esther SIBREE is mentioned in the NZ Police Gazette twice (vagrancy and one other charge).    It gives her native place as Sydney and a birth year around 1833. 

   ~  Lu

Added :    This article mentions the acquittal of Charles SIBREE on the charge of murder.
                https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WC18790308.2.8.5

[Lucy2]

Death of Charles SIBREE - (This would seem to be the Charles SIBREE aka "Yankee Charley" ... who was married to Esther KENT. )

Burial at Wesport  :   Added:   Orowaiti Old Cemetery
(Cemetery record) >
SIBREE - Chas.  (DR = Death record -- has Charles John) - died on 5 January 1880 of cancer of the stomach - aged 50 years.   Buried 7 January -- Free plot -- RC  :    Born : New York  ::

NZ BDM has >
Death - 1880/5122 - SIBREE - Charles John Hickey - 50 years
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Death notification for Esther SIBREE >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GRA19071014.2.9

Added: NZ BDM has  Death >
1907/8493 - SIBREE - Esther - 74 years

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

 His parents were Charles Allen Sibree who married Elizabeth Davidson at Granity 25/04/1895. I am interested in the parentage and line of both Charles and Elizabeth. Charles appears to have come from Australia, and Elizabeth from Northumberland about 1883. Can anyone help please?

Hello Sibbie

I'm guessing you've seen the handful of "trees" published on the ancestry website (is one of these perhaps yours ? )

There are names given in one tree for the parents of Elizabeth DAVIDSON (of Northumberland) but no indication at all of where that information was sourced from  ??

It appears too, despite information given in some records, that Elizabeth SIBREE (nee DAVIDSON) did not go on to marry Henry WILSON following her 1919 divorce.

Further to the Divorce article which "spades" gave in Reply # 3, there was another snippet published  which said Elizabeth had had a child with WILSON.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19191127.2.75

Added : ... also this snippet confirming daughter >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM19191128.2.104

The birth of this daughter was registered thus >
NZ BDM
1915 / 20401 - SIBREE - Phyllis Henrietta
Parents :  Elizabeth and Henry Alfred

Having the full name of Henry WILSON made it easy to locate his death and that of Elizabeth.
Also found on electoral rolls that following the death of Elizabeth in 1938, Henry was later sharing an address at Lower Hutt, Wellington, with his married daughter, Phyllis.

Burials at Taita Old Cemetery (Lower Hutt)  :   (Adjacent plots)

WILSON - Elizabeth - died 18 January 1938, buried 20 January :   Plot 22  V  CE
WILSON - Henry Alfred - buried 1 December 1858 :   Plot 23  V  CE

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Elizabeth DAVIDSON - m. SIBREE ... d. 1938 as Elizabeth WILSON :

Following link is to NZ Army file for Henry Alfred WILSON.
(He claimed also to have served in Australian Imperial Force    )
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE21237578

At page number 2 you can see the info he supplied re: his "marriage" to Elizabeth DAVIDSON (s) on 26/7/04 at Bendigo.   
( Details of the daughter's birth at Wellington also appear. )
No such marriage on the VIC BDM site.  Nor anything on the NZ index.

So looks like the best source of information for Elizabeth DAVIDSON will come from her marriage record to Charles SIBREE - 1895.        And as has already been mentioned you'd get "two for the price of one" if you purchased the Divorce record (1919) ... Check though with Archives NZ firstly that the Marriage certificate is actually annexed to the file. 

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

William Charles SIBREE :

Hi Sebbie

I'd looked over William's Army flie earlier and saw that he had a child.

Not sure if you had previously found William's Will on the Archives NZ site ?     
It shows the bequests he made (to his parents).
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE77597416

    ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

His parents were Charles Allen Sibree who married Elizabeth Davidson at Granity 25/04/1895. I am interested in the parentage and line of both Charles and Elizabeth. Charles appears to have come from Australia, and Elizabeth from Northumberland about 1883. Can anyone help please?

Am guessing that a birth registration has not yet been found for Charles Allen SIBREE ??

Did ponder if the "Allen" name had been added later (as his 1895 marriage record only shows "Charles SIBREE".)

There is this New Zealand birth (place not given - but can possibly be looked up on microfiche record at library) >

1869 - KENT - Charles Patrick Sibbery
Mother :  Esther        Father :  N/R (name not recorded)     

    ~  Lu

[Sibbie]

Thank you Lucy2 for your work on this. I am aware of the Yankee Charlie reference and he was responsible for a "false" gold rush on the Coast. Apparently, he mentioned that he had discovered some colour south of either Westport of it may have been Greymouth. Apparently, he was almost lynched. From what you have discovered it sounds like they as a couple were a little unsavory. The murder accusation is an interesting read. As for Charles having been born in New York is an interesting twist. There seems to be a number of Sibrees there.

The Charles I have been seeking has the spelling of Alan, not Allen as I previously mentioned in error.