Ierdale

[Millmoor]

Gro index has the birth of Leonara Williams , granddaughter in 1901, in Gateshead Apr - Jun 1889 with mmn as Serdale, which seems coincidental and another possible transcription of the surname.

Has the birth certificate for Sarah Brown been obtained in order to confirm parents' names, father's occupation and address or is an assumption being made from indexes?

William

[aidansrest]

I have ordered a copy marriage certificate for Sarah's marriage to Joseph Snaith in 1909.
The couple appear together on the 1911 census with their daughter, Jane Ann (named for Sarah's mother?).
Sarah and Joseph parted and Sarah had a second family with Thomas William Donaldson (who she didn't marry), but whose name she took.
The 1939 register gives her date of birth as 17th December 1891.
The 1911 census gives her place of birth as Newcastle.

[softly softly]

Family can be found in 1891/1901/1911/1921 census-  is Mary Jane related to Jane Ann

WILLIAMS, LEONORA       mmn SERDALE 
GRO Reference: 1889  J Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 939

WILLIAMS, HENRIETTA       mmn IERDALE 
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 973

WILLIAMS, WILLIAM       mmn TERDALE 
GRO Reference: 1895  M Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 177

WILLIAMS, MARY  JANE     mmn IERDALE 
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B

WILLIAMS, FREDERICK  HENRY     mmn IERDALE 
GRO Reference: 1904  S Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 149

WILLIAMS, GEORGE  BROWN     mmn TERDALE 
GRO Reference: 1909  D Quarter in NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE  Volume 10B  Page 145
(wonder if he was named after his possible uncle?)

SS

[aidansrest]

Looks promising 👌

[Millmoor]

Here is Leonora Williams in the 1891 census. I think this shows her to be the daughter of Fred Williams and Mary J.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HSJX-GMM.

Nb On at least one site she has been incorrectly transcribed as Leonard in the 1891 census.

And this is her with her grandparents in the 1911 census, Here she is recorded as Leonora Williams ( in 1901 she is showing as Leonora Brown).


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCJ-4WY

I have to say that I do believe that Mary J is actually Jane Ann's daughter. Perhaps the most cost effective way ( and quickest!) of finding Sarah Brown's parents would be to buy a digital image from Gro.

William

[softly softly]

Here is Leonora Williams in the 1891 census. I think this shows her to be the daughter of Fred Williams and Mary J.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HSJX-GMM.

Nb On at least one site she has been incorrectly transcribed as Leonard in the 1891 census.

And this is her with her grandparents in the 1911 census, Here she is recorded as Leonora Williams ( in 1901 she is showing as Leonora Brown).


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCJ-4WY

I have to say that I do believe that Mary J is actually Jane Ann's daughter. Perhaps the most cost effective way ( and quickest!) of finding Sarah Brown's parents would be to buy a digital image from Gro.

William

William, I'm not quite sure what you mean by this-I'm probably missing something

SS

[softly softly]

GRO Birth

IERDALE, MARY  JANE     mmn DUNN 
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in PICKERING  Volume 09D  Page 395

Freebmd

Births Jun 1871   
IERDALE    Mary Jane        Pickering    9d   395    
Jerdale    Mary Jane        Pickering    9d   395

SS

[softly softly]

First name(s) Mary Jane
Residence Bank Top, Rosedale West
Last name Iredale
Place Rosedale
Birth year 1871

County Yorkshire (North Riding)
Baptism year 1871
Country England
Baptism date 14 May 1871

Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's occupation Engine Driver
Mother's first name(s) Jane

SS

[Millmoor]

S.S From the censuses I have attached Leonora Williams is living with her parents in the 1891 census but with her grandparents , George and Jane Ann Brown in 1901 and 1911. If you look at the 1881 census and in particular the places of birth of the family transcribed as Judah but to my eyes Iredale I would conclude that Jane Ann and Mary J are mother and daughter.

William