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Offline Jebber

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Re: wrong fathers name at marriage
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 10 February 24 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Certificates can be a minefield of misinformation.

Not only parents and names can be wrong, ages and birth dates also,  birthdays were not celebrated as the are to day, not everyone knew how old they were.

Stated birth places could be the ealiest place they remembered living, that could be miles from where they actually born.

Their own or their father's occupation could be highly exagerated.

The census can lead us on a wild goose chase.

Just think how dull research would be if it was easy because  all the facts were completely true.;D
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,† Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: wrong fathers name at marriage
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 10 February 24 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes, my 2xgreat gran was born in Sussex but her parents moved to London when she was a baby and she said that she was born in that London area in census records.

I have some who fabricated their fathers occupation when they were just labourers, not carpenters etc.

John Hurt on WDYTYA found out his supposed royal roots was all false, and it was a wild goose chase.
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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: wrong fathers name at marriage
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 10 February 24 22:39 GMT (UK) »
My grandfather's uncle married in the church of his wife, as is the custom. Although they lived a few miles apart they were of different religious denominations and it is possible the clergyman did not know the groom's family. His father's Christian name was Andrew but the clergyman put William as the groom's father. Since both families were well educated and able to read it would seem that they didn't notice the error at the time.
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Re: wrong fathers name at marriage
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 February 24 08:29 GMT (UK) »
Which Marriage Certificate are you going from ?

The Original Church Marriage Certificate
Or the Marriage Certificate Copy sent to the GRO that you applied for.

I have come across GRO copies sent to the GRO have Incorrect Names Copied from the Church Original Certificate

Both from parish records.  It is odd because there are no Thomases in that branch of the family as far as I can tell.

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Re: wrong fathers name at marriage
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 11 February 24 09:37 GMT (UK) »
The details of the father, his name and/or occupation ( and now including the mother) has never been part of the legally required information that has to be given when marrying and so has never been subject to any check or verification, even today.

As a registrar I was surprised how many people actively chose to leave their fathers details off the register - usually after a family break up of some sort - it happened quite a few times. Likewise even when giving the details it was very common for the parties not to know their father's full name and occupation and sometimes had to run off to ask another family member for help.

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Re: wrong fathers name at marriage
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 11 February 24 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Some interesting observations here thanks.   Itís making me think of going back and double checking all the possibles I rejected because the fatherís name was wrong.

Especially one chap I followed all the way through and it was only when I got the marriage and fathers name was wrong I rejected it.  Father was George same as his so certainly a plausible mistake.

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