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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 09:10 GMT (UK) »
Great finds!

I had wondered why William Reader wasn't present in census but I suppose being a boatman meant he travelled around a lot. There was a William Reader in Warwickshire who was imprisoned and transported in 1838. He was listed as having 4 children, but after doing some digging it was clear that this person's occupation was listed as 'ribbon weaver', not a boatman.

If William Reader went on to marry a Sarah and had a child called Sarah Ann then this would create a possible link to the Sarah Ann witnessing my Mary Ann's marriage.

Looking at the 1841 census, I know that Mary would have been registered as mother's maiden name Wassell. I found her birth registration in 1838, and her mother Amelia Wassell died in 1839.

It looks like you've found the birth for Sarah, but Emma doesn't appear to have been registered. There is an Emma Reader who died aged 1 in Stourbridge in 1842 who might fit.

In 1851, I can't seem to find a birth record for Ellen Jane.





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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 09:20 GMT (UK) »
I think this is Ellen Jane but can't see a birth reg for Emma either

 READER, ELLEN  JANE      BADGER     
GRO Ref: 1851  M Quarter in ASTON  Volume 16  Page 231

I don't think this family  is related to the birth you found a Mary Ann Reader mmn Wassell  in 1838 in Wolverhampton but is an alternative suggestion for a Mary Reader whose birth wasn't registered
Incorrect see below
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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 09:30 GMT (UK) »
I think this is the family I found in 1861 living in Aston

Sarah Reader    41  Boatman's Wife b Pershore
Elizabeth Reader 25 Daughter b Birmingham
Sarah Ann Reader 21 Daughter b Birmingham
Joseph James Reader 18 Son  Boatman b Brierley Hill, Staffordshire
Ellen Jane Reader 10 Daughter b Birmingham
Ann Reader 7 Daughter b Birmingham
William Reader 5 Son b Birmingham

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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 09:57 GMT (UK) »
Ah - Just noticed that in the Reader/Wassell family you referred to the father William Reader was also a boatman  based on the 1867 marriage of his daughter Matilda to Thomas Gray who lists her father William as a boatman!!! 

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Added - And Enoch and Mary Ann Underwood were witnesses - so the Reader/Wassell must be the right family


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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 10:08 GMT (UK) »
So rethinking - you are right apolgies - and Sarah was William Reader's second wife with their first child Sarah Ann and the Elizabeth and Mary living with Sarah in 1841 were children of his first marrage to Amelia.

 However can't see his other children from the first marriage  :-\

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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 10:28 GMT (UK) »
The siblings if Mary Ann from William's first marriage to Amelia Wassell are as follows:
William Marshall Reader, (1828), Elizabeth Reader & Matilda Reader (1832). Elizabeth's birthday isn't clear because I can't find her in census.

I know Matilda married Thomas Gray. There is a marriage for a William Marshall Reader in Kent in 1878 but it's not clear who he married. A possible?
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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 10:37 GMT (UK) »
I can't find a marriage between a William Reader and a Sarah. Possibly didn't marry?
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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 10:45 GMT (UK) »
I think this is Ellen Jane but can't see a birth reg for Emma either

 READER, ELLEN  JANE      BADGER     
GRO Ref: 1851  M Quarter in ASTON  Volume 16  Page 231

I don't think this family  is related to the birth you found a Mary Ann Reader mmn Wassell  in 1838 in Wolverhampton but is an alternative suggestion for a Mary Reader whose birth wasn't registered
Incorrect see below
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I wonder if Emma was registered as Badger? There is an Emma Badger born in Birmingham in 1841 - S Quarter Vol 16 pg 249. Mother's maiden name isn't listed so could be Badger too?
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Re: Underwood/Reader - A couple of loose ends
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 13 February 24 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Children born in Birmingham/Aston with mmn Badger are as follows:
Sarah Ann Reader - mmn Badger. 1839  J Quarter in ASTON UNION  Volume 16  Page 211
Joseph James - mmn Badger. 1843 M Quarter in STOURBRIDGE UNION  Volume 18  Page 464
Eliza Reader - mmn Badger. 1849 M Quarter in ASTON UNION  Volume 16  Page 211
Ellen Jane Reader - mmn Badger. 1851  M Quarter in ASTON  Volume 16  Page 231
Amy Reader - mmn Badger. 1853  J Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 258
William Reader - mmn Badger. 1856  M Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 269
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