John Brown missing from the GRO

[Rose Red]

Hi ,
This is my first post

I’m struggling to find  my grandfather’s birth in the GRO records. His parents were Nicholas Brown b.1850 in Wexford and his mother was Catherine Daley and I know they emigrated to England around the time my grandfather was born about 1885/6.

I have found a baptism record for 27/5/1885 for a Joannes Brown at St John’s church Liverpool, which I think is correct but I can’t find anything in the GRO index.
It is possible John was born on the journey over here and I wondered if births at sea are recorded differently or if it might have been recorded in the Irish records.
It might, of course just not have been registered but I’d appreciate any suggestions which may help.

Cheers, Rose Red.

[Milliepede]

Hi there and welcome

What birthplace does he have on census records please?

Did he have younger brothers and sisters you can find birth registrations for?

Also what year did his parents marry? 

[KGarrad]

There is a Thomas Brown birth - a brother?

    BROWN, THOMAS        (Mother's Maiden Name:) DALEY     
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 454

[BrianClaydon]

Hi Rose Red,

I have this one in the GRO records. Not sure if it is your guy.

Name: BROWN, JOHN   Mother's Maiden Surname: DALY
   
GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 373




 

[wilcoxon]

Hi ,
This is my first post

I’m struggling to find  my grandfather’s birth in the GRO records. His parents were Nicholas Brown b.1850 in Wexford and his mother was Catherine Daley and I know they emigrated to England around the time my grandfather was born about 1885/6.

I have found a baptism record for 27/5/1885 for a Joannes Brown at St John’s church Liverpool, which I think is correct but I can’t find anything in the GRO index.
It is possible John was born on the journey over here and I wondered if births at sea are recorded differently or if it might have been recorded in the Irish records.
It might, of course just not have been registered but I’d appreciate any suggestions which may help.

Cheers, Rose Red.

If that is the correct one it gives names of the godparents which could be a help.

[wilcoxon]

There is a Thomas Brown birth - a brother?

    BROWN, THOMAS        (Mother's Maiden Name:) DALEY     
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 454

Birth Date1 Jul 1887
Baptism Date6 Jul 1887
Same parents  . Different god mother . 26 Nimrod Street Walton
Baptism Place St John's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

[Dundee]

They also had a daughter Catherine in 1883 who is probably one of the infant deaths in West Derby as she doesn't appear with her mother in 1891.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:73XF-JZM

There is still a fair gap between James and Catherine so perhaps there were more births in Ireland for children who didn't survive.

Marriage  1873

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11274/8135449.pdf

Patrick Nicholas  1874

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03158/2158575.pdf

William Laurence  1875

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03088/2132266.pdf

James  1878

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02950/2080990.pdf

Debra 

[Rose Red]

Thanks very much for all the helpful responses
John’s birthplace is given as Liverpool in all other records.
I’ve found a brother James Brown b. 1878 in Fayth, Wexford and another brother called William in 1875 b in Ireland. His parents married in 1873.
I’m aware of 3 more siblings born in Liverpool, Thomas, b.1887,  Michael b.1889 and Mary b.1891.
I think the GRO record for Thomas looks correct. I couldn’t make out the address on the baptismal record I found for John but the fact that the second child was baptised in the same church makes me think the d.o.b  24.5.1885 given on that record is probably correct.
Is it possible to find out exactly when they came to England. Are there any passenger list records ?

[Milliepede]

No passenger list records between Ireland and England unfortunately.

The suggestion in reply 3 copied below is certainly the most likely - have you ruled this one out?

I have this one in the GRO records. Not sure if it is your guy.

Name: BROWN, JOHN   Mother's Maiden Surname: DALY
   
GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 373

Registration for daughter Catherine in S 1883 also has the spelling Daly for mother